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Spott3r
Guest
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Bolts out, always between cards..All the way out.
The Flag is a good idea too.
Bolts out, always between cards..All the way out.
The Flag is a good idea too.
We need to fix this - TOGETHER!
- Thread starter Wilbur
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Do the other rifles in the pictures have their bolts out or in and closed(?), I could never tell just by looking at the pictures. I can however clearly see the bolts up and open rifles are “safe”.
Maybe its time for empty chamber flags, at least you can see them from one side.
Maybe its time for empty chamber flags, at least you can see them from one side.
Bill Wynne
Active member
Bolts out, always between cards..All the way out.
The Flag is a good idea too.
No point in the overkill.
I believe that sticking the flag in the chamber is all you need. You can't possibly shut the bolt or close the action with that flag stuck in the chamber.
After removing the bolt and inserting the flag, who would deny that removing the barrel would make the rifle look even safer?
Let's have safety rules that are sensible and workable.
Concho Bill
JerrySharrett
Senile Member
In a registered match it IS up to the range officer to make sure guns are clear and bolts removed before leaving the firing line.
After the firing line is exited by a shooter then things may differ from club to club and sanctioning body to sanctioning body.
Don't try that in the IBS!!!
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Bob Pekaar
Guest
Rifle cleaning
Bill, I totally agree with you. Gateway is set up so that you can park your vehicle or set up a tent about 30 yards across the gravel road, point it away from the range and clean it safely and not disturb others. Tents are in increasing use and set up just behind the line. Even though the rifle is pointed away from the line, IMHO, it still is potentially dangerous and a gathering place for shooters who want to talk. I plan to ask the club make it a policy to keep tents on the opposite side of the road if they are for cleaning purposes.
JerrySharrett
Senile Member
Not trying to be snitty, he doesn't have to pull the bolt his self, all he has to pull is you...off the firing line and DQ. The sanctioning organization and that person's fellow shooters will back up the action by the range officer.
David Valdina
Member
Rules seem to say choice...
You can choose between removing the bolt or putting in a chamber flag.
I pulled this out of the rules right here on this web site.
"SAFETY Rifles must be equipped with trigger guards. All rifles must have bolts removed or chamber flags in place at all times when not engaged in active competition and prior to removal from the firing line. Failure to comply will result in disqualification. Rifles are NEVER to be on the bench until the Rangemaster calls the relay to the line after determining that the range is secure. When target crew is down range, NO RIFLES will be allowed on benches. Loss of sanctioning may result if this procedure is not followed."
I will also add it makes little difference in respect to safety if the cleaning bench is feet away or yards away. A bullet fired in error won't take too long to close the distance. I think what is important is that it be user friendly and have ample room for the job at hand. That, and have the muzzles facing as safe a direction as possible.
You can choose between removing the bolt or putting in a chamber flag.
I pulled this out of the rules right here on this web site.
"SAFETY Rifles must be equipped with trigger guards. All rifles must have bolts removed or chamber flags in place at all times when not engaged in active competition and prior to removal from the firing line. Failure to comply will result in disqualification. Rifles are NEVER to be on the bench until the Rangemaster calls the relay to the line after determining that the range is secure. When target crew is down range, NO RIFLES will be allowed on benches. Loss of sanctioning may result if this procedure is not followed."
I will also add it makes little difference in respect to safety if the cleaning bench is feet away or yards away. A bullet fired in error won't take too long to close the distance. I think what is important is that it be user friendly and have ample room for the job at hand. That, and have the muzzles facing as safe a direction as possible.
Bill Wynne
Active member
Correct me if I am wrong
The rules of both ARA and 50/50 allow for chamber flags if I read them right. 50/50 leaves the choice up to the shooter and ARA leaves the choice up to the Range Master.
I would like to see an expansion of where and when to clean our firearms in the rules. Or maybe not.
This has been a most polite discussion of safety procedures with no one calling anyone else names. We discuss safety but we follow the rules.
Concho Bill
The rules of both ARA and 50/50 allow for chamber flags if I read them right. 50/50 leaves the choice up to the shooter and ARA leaves the choice up to the Range Master.
I would like to see an expansion of where and when to clean our firearms in the rules. Or maybe not.
This has been a most polite discussion of safety procedures with no one calling anyone else names. We discuss safety but we follow the rules.
Concho Bill
David Valdina
Member
More on safe place to clean & service rifles
Bill Wynne asks for an expansion of this topic. If the barrel is pointed in a safe direction most of the concerns are met. Now, what makes a direction safe ? In my mind, benches allowing the rifles to point at a back stop of some kind would work. Hopefully there will be no accidental discharges, but if one happens, it would be good to catch the bullet safely. The closer the back stop, the smaller it can be. Ideally it would absorb the bullet with no chance of the bullet escaping.
Bill Wynne asks for an expansion of this topic. If the barrel is pointed in a safe direction most of the concerns are met. Now, what makes a direction safe ? In my mind, benches allowing the rifles to point at a back stop of some kind would work. Hopefully there will be no accidental discharges, but if one happens, it would be good to catch the bullet safely. The closer the back stop, the smaller it can be. Ideally it would absorb the bullet with no chance of the bullet escaping.