Shut 'er down!!

[James M.]

Andy, just how much Barack Kool-aid have you consumed? Congress gets the tax payer to pay 70+ % of the premiums for their "Cadillac" plans, while others with the same income level do not. Barack HAS unilaterally exempted the F.O.B. (friends of Barack) for at least one year. Wake up! James Mock

 

[Bill Dorsey]

I'm getting older. My life has been pretty good to this point.... all things considered.

I served for many years and was dependent on the Government Tit for a paycheck...that has a tendency to cloud ones vision.

Once I entered the "Real" workforce, my eyes opened and I was able to see clearly past the smoke and mirrors.



I've also seen the reality and the horror of a dictatorship.....you know.....socialism and communism...that kind of dictatorship...not just in pictures or the movies.

Likewise, I've been in a country where martial law was in effect and government corruption the likes of which most have only heard or read about was the way of lfe.

I don't want ANY of that here.......in ANY form.


I think that we're dangerously close to that right here and in the not too distant future.

Maybe it's time for others to open their eyes and see clearly without the clouds in the way.

 

[Wayne Shaw]

Good post Bill!

 

[ebb]

Vic there is somebody losing here, the USA is 19 trillion in debt. How you or anybody can defend that is beyond me. You must be on the receiving end of this or don't think you will live long enough to help pay it back. Cause it scares the hell out of me. Obama has backed the muslim brother hood and they are so bad the Egyptians wont even stand for that. the biggest problems with health care were stated to be frivolous law suits and drug prices neither of which were addressed in the health care act. the health care of the poor was just passed on to the middle class. How is the debt going to be paid back? I am glad some one has finally done some thing to try and stop the out of control spending. these congress men and women will never be reelected I am proud of them.

 

[AndyTaber]

Haven't drank any koolaid. I just read things that are put forth in the news or spread around the internet and try to determine the truth. I don't feel I've expressed any political preference one way or the other, just tried to shed a little light.

I spend the rest of my time trying to comprehend what makes some people hate so much.

 

[ReedG]

Excuse me but that is not name calling ignorance and arrogance are a condition! ie ignorance of the facts, arrogance is holding youself to a level few of us could rise too! Like Harry Reid's arrogance towards the tea party! I think you need to get a dictionary out and do a little reading, while your at it you might also try the constitution.
your reply with regard to calling a "spade a spade" is in politically correct terms racist, that term harkens from a long time ago and was in reference to the black community.

Just so you know ... "To "call a spade a spade" is a figure of speech which explicitly calls out something as it is; by its right name. The implication is to not lie about what something is and to instead speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity, unpleasant or embarrassing nature."

The phrase was first introduced to the English language in 1542 and had no reference to ethnic slurring.

 

[vicvanb]

The basis of it all...

I spend the rest of my time trying to comprehend what makes some people hate so much.

When you figure it out, let me know.

My take on it:

The government shutdown really isn't about the ACA. It's about a minority of Republican Senators and Representatives who are speaking for a small minority of Americans who cannot accept the changes our society is undergoing in the 21st century. They are egged on by a few TV and radio show hosts who spew hatred nonstop every day of the week. The rest of us now are paying the price for their vitriol.

 

[vicvanb]

Yes--in spades!

To "call a spade a spade" is a figure of speech which explicitly calls out something as it is; by its right name. The implication is to not lie about what something is and to instead speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity, unpleasant or embarrassing nature."[/I]

Thank you--that is how I've always interpreted it.

Seems that Steelhead1 (G Vanlier) owes someone an apology...

 

[adamsgt]

While I hate to agree with vicvanb, I feel that he is right that Obamacare is the law of the land. I, like other Republicans think the the law is a disaster and a total overreach of the Democrats to control all of us. However it is the law. With Obama as president and the democrats controlling the Senate, there is no way for the Republicans to achieve any changes to the law. They fought as hard as they could but could not prevail. They should just capitulate and tell the democrats that they have won and they own it. The unfortunate thing is that the law will cause great damage to the country before its flaws are perceived by the masses. As I said before, the bill enacted was written with the Republicans frozen out of the process. Right now too many people think they are going to get something for nothing in the law. There is going to be a rude awakening. TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch) Somebody pays, they just think it's going to be somebody else.

 

[Bill Dorsey]

When you figure it out, let me know.

My take on it:

The government shutdown really isn't about the ACA. It's about a minority of Republican Senators and Representatives who are speaking for a small minority of Americans who cannot accept the changes our society is undergoing in the 21st century. They are egged on by a few TV and radio show hosts who spew hatred nonstop every day of the week. The rest of us now are paying the price for their vitriol.

Acceptance of the changes our society is undergoing??????

A minority of Republican Senators and Representatives are causing this?????

Egged on by talk shows and TV shows?????


It seems to me that our country was founded on that very same reluctance to change.

Back then it had to do with an oppressive British Government.


Did you sleep through History classes or what?????

 

[Steelhead1]

Don't hold your breath waiting for an apology, because growing up on the east coast in the 60'e that term was widely used, you can choose not to believe it but I heard it many times, even from police officers! So let me get this straight anyone that says anything negatively about the ACA is spewing hate but when a liberal says something negative or positive thats free speech, and should't be critisized, and if I don't agree with the Presidents position its because I don;t like him becasue he's black or I hate him! So as a Tea party person I am not entitled to an opinion that contradicts your views because that would be hateful. I guess your tight everything should be run by one party and no matter what anyone else thinks good or bad we should just do whatever the govt wants. We should never question anything and just go along because the President is always right irregardless of which party is holding the office! Why not just do away with the congress and senate and let the President make all the laws and decisions without judicial fiat!
Folks your seeing first hand the type of people, like Vic that want to burn this country to the ground in order to make it better, here is a guy that does not want any one or any group to have a view other than the one he holds.
Only die hard democrats are entitled to get everything they want and the rest of us have to go along because their vision of the law is the only vision that we should all have to live by no matter what the cost.I don't hate Vic for his views I just take issue that he ignores mine and dismisses it as extreme! The signers of the Declaration were considered extreme too weren't they! I say leave the Govt shut down until we have a deal to limit the debt limit, by cutting back expenditures, on money leaving our country to support countrys that hate us, balance the budget,and suspend the ACA for 1 year. Perhaps all those govt employees can get a taste of what I went thru for 3.5 years of unemployment and stuggling to keep my house and autmobile, when my job went south. Maybe they will be a little more appreciative of the taxpayers that pay them.
Remember Vic the mind is like a parachute it works best when its open!

 

[GerryM]

Shut er down

So you have read it in the newspaper or on the web, so it must be true.
You have to be kidding us' You could fill volumes on what's not printed or even talked about

 

[virg]

Would you do the same...

Why hasn't the post office shut down. They don't do nothing. They don't deliver nothing. But they lose everything. They all get big salaries. Congress should have such a job.

Hey Roy; here's 46 cents...take this to Alaska!

 

[Steelhead1]

The post office is one of a handful of govt entity's that is mostly self sufficent! Now I know that just received money they need to boost them up, however there daily intake from stamp sales and package shipments etc. so thats why they are open.

 

[vicvanb]

False propaganda

The unfortunate thing is that the law will cause great damage to the country before its flaws are perceived by the masses.

This is the propaganda that the opponents of the ACA have spread far and wide--that the law will cause great damage to the country. They state this as fact even before the law has been implemented. Some otherwise well informed people apparently believe it.

The fact is that no one can verify this claim, period. On the other hand, the CBO has found that the law will reduce federal budget deficits significantly. We know that people who already have insurance and those on Medicare will be unaffected. We know that many people (40 million?) without health care insurance will now be eligible and won't have to rely on ER treatment. We know that people with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied coverage. We know that young adults can now be kept on their parents policies until they are 26. We think that as more and more people enroll, insurance premiums will decline. Are these things going to cause "great damage to the country?"

We have an objective way to forecast the likely outcome of the ACA--by assessing the Massachusetts model. Only the uninformed would claim it has caused "great damage." By the way, did I mention a Republican governor got it through the state legislature and touted its success when it was implemented?

Seems to me if the Tea Party is genuinely interested in the good of the country, they would devote their energy to fixing the problems in the ACA as they emerge and stop spreading false information trying to fight a losing battle to kill the law.

We need some adults in the room--quickly!

 

[katokoch]

The unfortunate thing is that the law will cause great damage to the country before its flaws are perceived by the masses. As I said before, the bill enacted was written with the Republicans frozen out of the process. Right now too many people think they are going to get something for nothing in the law. There is going to be a rude awakening. TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch) Somebody pays, they just think it's going to be somebody else.

I'm guessing my generation will be stuck with paying for it and our nation's MOUNTAIN of debt, and I'm not particularly pleased about that. We gotta get this ship back on course.

 

[Wayne Shaw]

Vic, I will only say, you have swallowed hard and deep.

 

[Steelhead1]

Lmao, now that there is funny Wayne, Thank you!

 

[Charles E]

Gary Lee Anderson (born October 8, 1939) is a former Nebraska state legislator and an American sport shooter, who was the only shooter to win two, consecutive Olympic gold medals in the 300 m Rifle event before it was discontinued. He also won seven World Shooting Championships.

Born in Holdrege, Nebraska, Anderson grew up on a farm near Axtell, Nebraska and graduated from Axtell High School in 1957. He attended the University of Nebraska for one year and then enlisted in the army. He served in the army until 1962, attaining the rank of Lieutenant. After resigning from the army, Anderson served with the Nebraska Army National Guard from 1963 to 1965 and the California National Guard from 1965 to 1968. During this time he received degrees from Hastings College Nebraska and the San Francisco Theological Seminary in California.

Anderson was elected as a Republican to a four-year term in Nebraska's Unicameral Legislature in 1972. During his term, Anderson felt that the Republican Party was too engaged in partisan politics, so he changed affiliation from the Republican to the Democratic Party. At the end of his term, Anderson did not seek re-election.

 

[adamsgt]

!

This is the propaganda that the opponents of the ACA have spread far and wide--that the law will cause great damage to the country. They state this as fact even before the law has been implemented. Some otherwise well informed people apparently believe it.

The fact is that no one can verify this claim, period. On the other hand, the CBO has found that the law will reduce federal budget deficits significantly. We know that people who already have insurance and those on Medicare will be unaffected. Really? Obama is cutting 700 B from Medicare and that's not going to affect anything. You don't "know" that

We know that many people (40 million?) without health care insurance will now be eligible and won't have to rely on ER treatment. Really? We have enough doctors to handle 40 million more people. Can you spell rationing?

We know that people with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied coverage. So what kind of premiums are they going to have? Most likely their cost will be far more than what they pay. So where's that money coming from? Oh, that's right they can use the 700 B pulled out of Medicare.

We know that young adults can now be kept on their parents policies until they are 26. This is pure socialist tinkering. Where in hell is a 26 year old considered a child? Only in ObamaWorld.

We think that as more and more people enroll, insurance premiums will decline. You "think" but you don't know. So far lots of premiums are rising. Some are rising several hundred percent. And that's on existing policies not new enrollees. None of your "claims" can be verified either.

Are these things going to cause "great damage to the country?" I think so.

We have an objective way to forecast the likely outcome of the ACA--by assessing the Massachusetts model. Only the uninformed would claim it has caused "great damage." By the way, did I mention a Republican governor got it through the state legislature and touted its success when it was implemented? That was for one small state not a nation.

Seems to me if the Tea Party is genuinely interested in the good of the country, they would devote their energy to fixing the problems in the ACA as they emerge and stop spreading false information trying to fight a losing battle to kill the law. Well, maybe if the democrats had not frozen the Republicans out of the creation part of the bill writing many of these problems could have been avoided.

We need some adults in the room--quickly You bet, that's why you're not invited.