That way "Everyone is a winner."
Or a wiener depending on your point of view.
I vote wiener.
In your opinion whats killing the group game
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That way "Everyone is a winner."
Or a wiener depending on your point of view.
I vote wiener.
Dave Coots
64 Chevy 409 10.42 129
Rick
You hit it out of the park. If they can't pay or put in the time, so be it.
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Dave
You hit it out of the park. If they can't pay or put in the time, so be it.
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Dave
A Shifflett
New member
Attitude!
It takes a certain individual to want to compete in a sport where you will lose much more then you win! And sometimes you will lose big. (Tony Boyer excluded and recently Wayne Campbell) and even they, can tell you about the many times they have lost. Driving 6 or more hours home after having just been beat, gives a person a lot of time to think, do i want to keep doing this, spending the time, money and effort it takes to compete at this level only to lose this badly? If that person has a mentor, who can explain to him the ups and downs of this sport, his chances of returning are greater, if he doesnt, he is probably gone for good. The ones that return have a certain desire and drive to want to excel, and not everyone has that!
Jack Neary says it best.......you cant coach desire
AS
It takes a certain individual to want to compete in a sport where you will lose much more then you win! And sometimes you will lose big. (Tony Boyer excluded and recently Wayne Campbell) and even they, can tell you about the many times they have lost. Driving 6 or more hours home after having just been beat, gives a person a lot of time to think, do i want to keep doing this, spending the time, money and effort it takes to compete at this level only to lose this badly? If that person has a mentor, who can explain to him the ups and downs of this sport, his chances of returning are greater, if he doesnt, he is probably gone for good. The ones that return have a certain desire and drive to want to excel, and not everyone has that!
Jack Neary says it best.......you cant coach desire
AS
If you're interested in Benchrest Competition
This Sport has something to offer even the most casual competitor. Same as any other recreational Sport. Golf,Bowling, tennis, etc. Its not about whether you win or lose but how you play the game. Thats important.
I personally know people who have been dabbling in this game as long or longer than I have.
People who have the money and the time to travel to the matches. People who have never won much of anything to speak of. They pay the registration fees and keep coming back for more. Why? Because these competitors have found satisfaction in their participation that some others may not have.
I agree,If losing at this sport causes you to sell out and take up another hobby, then maybe you shouldn’t, be here in the first place.
I would venture to say, that in this game, the casual competitors outnumber the ego sensitive group. “The Have to win mentality” to justify their participation group.
What I find most attractive about this Sport are the people I’ve met since coming here. If the only thing I lose at in Life is a Benchrest match. I figure I’m way ahead of the game. Just my thoughts.
Glenn
This Sport has something to offer even the most casual competitor. Same as any other recreational Sport. Golf,Bowling, tennis, etc. Its not about whether you win or lose but how you play the game. Thats important.
I personally know people who have been dabbling in this game as long or longer than I have.
People who have the money and the time to travel to the matches. People who have never won much of anything to speak of. They pay the registration fees and keep coming back for more. Why? Because these competitors have found satisfaction in their participation that some others may not have.
I agree,If losing at this sport causes you to sell out and take up another hobby, then maybe you shouldn’t, be here in the first place.
I would venture to say, that in this game, the casual competitors outnumber the ego sensitive group. “The Have to win mentality” to justify their participation group.
What I find most attractive about this Sport are the people I’ve met since coming here. If the only thing I lose at in Life is a Benchrest match. I figure I’m way ahead of the game. Just my thoughts.
Glenn
pipeline60
Kelly Ellis
That last paragraph nails it .
Joe Maisto
New member
A bit more,,,if I may. I do not go to a match to try and win money. This shooting game has been ( perhaps) the best thing that I have ever gone into, but for different reasons than most. Where else can one go and meet people from around the globe...literally ? I cannot say enough about this part of it. Sure...we all go to the bench and give it our best. That said, occasional shooters, ( like me) understand what we are up against, which in turn...makes us try harder. The most expensive equipment available won't do you any good if you don't know the basics. I enjoy the people I have come to know, and competing against them, ( first)..which for me...takes precedence over winning.
Dave Coots
64 Chevy 409 10.42 129
Thanks for the explanation Andy. I always figured I was just too dumb to quit. The bad thing about this sport is you have to put out a lot of effort, to get back a little success. When things are going bad you most generally have only yourself to blame. Some guys have a hard time with that. When things are going well it's much easier.... for a while.
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Dave
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It is painfully expensive to get started in and frustrating if you 'buy down' and hit equipment limits.
Dave Coots
64 Chevy 409 10.42 129
I would say it is expensive for a young married guy to justify, but so is a bass boat, drag racing, owning a few horses, or any other hobby. I sent an engine and heads out for a build several years ago. It came back ready to go with a 12K bill. Good thing I built a cheap one. The biggest downside to shooting is that it is not a family hobby, not the cost, IMO.
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Dave
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Dave
I think this is more of a obsession than a sport. I believe most players are not driven by winning, but driven by enjoying the unbelievable challenge of putting together a rifle that boggles the imagination. We are a strange breed, we need to stick together, support each other, help the clubs that are hosting the matches . Helping the clubs with the physical effort, not just showing up, but actually going out moving target frames, ect, . All you have to do is ask, " how can I help" and you will see you are needed.
I'm working on a moving backer system that can be built expensively, designed for the small clubs shooting group, it will be tested within the next few months. Hopefully, if moving backers are the issue in holding matches this might help.
We love you guys,
Charlie and Cheryl Hood
I'm working on a moving backer system that can be built expensively, designed for the small clubs shooting group, it will be tested within the next few months. Hopefully, if moving backers are the issue in holding matches this might help.
We love you guys,
Charlie and Cheryl Hood
JerrySharrett
Senile Member
Thanks Charlie and Cheryl. Over many years you two have over abundantly done your part in adding to the enjoyment of these RON (Remain Over Night) shoots. And thanks for giving us something else to think about besides "just winning".
We ARE a selfish lot. We move in on a membership supported range to take up a 4-6day period of time out of the paying club members range time. Then we EXPECT volunteers to fetch our targets.
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pipeline60
Kelly Ellis
A thousand years ago, I took it upon myself to find out exactly why folks quit shooting Benchrest. I leaned on Pat Ferrell to supply me the mailing addresses and she reluctantly compiled the addresses of those that had previously joined the NBRSA and then quit. Thanks Pat!
That done, I wrote a well worded letter ( I could do that back then
) to about 300 folks basically asking why they did not renew their membership. I also placed a stamped envelope along with the letter so it wouldn't cost anything but a few minutes time answering my question. I don't remember how many wrote back but it was clearly enough to realize that the "problem" could not be fixed. There was little relation from one to the other in the entire deal - waste of time. I've tried to justify the money I spent doing that but in the end I can't - waste of time.
The NBRSA has had contests with somewhat significant prizes for whoever recruited the most members. That didn't work well either.
The only reason that folks enjoy competing within the Benchrest arena is that they like to do it for whatever reason. When they run out of money they quit. That last statement about money is related to the competitor that likes to shoot Benchrest.
I'll tell this story again. It may be a little different from the last time I told it but it ends the same. We were at Lakeland Florida and I noticed a fellow looking hard at a lot of "stuff". I asked him if he had an interest and he said that he would dearly love to compete but didn't have the money. We talked about it for a while and it ended right there. I couldn't help but notice him leaving in a new pickup with a four wheeler in the back. Not only that but he was pulling a nice trailer that had two more 4 wheelers on it....all newer stuff. He made a choice and it was not Benchrest shooting.
That done, I wrote a well worded letter ( I could do that back then
) to about 300 folks basically asking why they did not renew their membership. I also placed a stamped envelope along with the letter so it wouldn't cost anything but a few minutes time answering my question. I don't remember how many wrote back but it was clearly enough to realize that the "problem" could not be fixed. There was little relation from one to the other in the entire deal - waste of time. I've tried to justify the money I spent doing that but in the end I can't - waste of time.The NBRSA has had contests with somewhat significant prizes for whoever recruited the most members. That didn't work well either.
The only reason that folks enjoy competing within the Benchrest arena is that they like to do it for whatever reason. When they run out of money they quit. That last statement about money is related to the competitor that likes to shoot Benchrest.
I'll tell this story again. It may be a little different from the last time I told it but it ends the same. We were at Lakeland Florida and I noticed a fellow looking hard at a lot of "stuff". I asked him if he had an interest and he said that he would dearly love to compete but didn't have the money. We talked about it for a while and it ended right there. I couldn't help but notice him leaving in a new pickup with a four wheeler in the back. Not only that but he was pulling a nice trailer that had two more 4 wheelers on it....all newer stuff. He made a choice and it was not Benchrest shooting.
Dave Coots
64 Chevy 409 10.42 129
Wilbur
"he had a choice but it was not Benchrest shooting." Says it all. End of story.
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Dave
"he had a choice but it was not Benchrest shooting." Says it all. End of story.
Later
Dave
A thousand years ago, I took it upon myself to find out exactly why folks quit shooting Benchrest. I leaned on Pat Ferrell to supply me the mailing addresses and she reluctantly compiled the addresses of those that had previously joined the NBRSA and then quit. Thanks Pat!
That done, I wrote a well worded letter ( I could do that back then
The NBRSA has had contests with somewhat significant prizes for whoever recruited the most members. That didn't work well either.
The only reason that folks enjoy competing within the Benchrest arena is that they like to do it for whatever reason. When they run out of money they quit. That last statement about money is related to the competitor that likes to shoot Benchrest.
I'll tell this story again. It may be a little different from the last time I told it but it ends the same. We were at Lakeland Florida and I noticed a fellow looking hard at a lot of "stuff". I asked him if he had an interest and he said that he would dearly love to compete but didn't have the money. We talked about it for a while and it ended right there. I couldn't help but notice him leaving in a new pickup with a four wheeler in the back. Not only that but he was pulling a nice trailer that had two more 4 wheelers on it....all newer stuff. He made a choice and it was not Benchrest shooting.
Wilber, The money is one thing, but the work and time is the killer. I know for a fact there is not a day goes by I'm not working on something or trying to improve on something. Always working on cases bullets or the guns. If not doing that I'm cutting grass or fixing things that broke around the house. I sit down to watch a little tv. and fall asleep..... jim
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