i have been here before i started shooting br. i have seen several "know it alls" loud mouths" and put up with their krapp because i was a new guy. but as i learned and shot and won, i really pick and choose who i listen to. i have 2 long range national championships, and came in fifth overall in heavy gun this year. it means i have one point in the hall of fame. there are mouths on here that only shoot their home range but pretend to be an expert..they aint. when it comes to short range i generally suck but have had a few good moments. so bottom line posting and being opinionated does not make a person an expert.
how about some credentials from those you ask to provide tutorials ?
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Lee Hachigian
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So, what makes an expert, Hall of Fame points, and how many? There are good shooters that never travel to National events, and poor shooters that go to every match. There are Competitive and Social shooters, each with specific skills, knowledge and experience. I think it’s hard to define, but I would lean on those that win most often at registered matches.
Mike, as you know, based on your long-range credentials, I asked if you'd like to submit a write-up on long-range shooting. Since I didn't hear back from you, I asked another well-credentialed long-range shooter if he'd like to do that. Even if he accepts, my offer to you still stands; I suspect folks would enjoy reading thoughts from both of you.
GeneT
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Online I think expertise is just demonstrated over time. Any sensible person knows that anyone can claim just about anything online, but if you participate in a forum for very long it's pretty easy to suss out the real experts from the keyboard commandos. There are few other credentials that would be meaningful.
GsT
GsT
but there are people on here that do not accept "demonstrated" expertise. people on here that attack rather than discuss...personal attacks vs subject discussion. and nothing is done
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mwezell
Mike Ezell
Impressive wins! Do you have the targets from those National championships? It'd be great for others to see(pics) what it takes to win at this level in the real world.
i think i do..but what won then, will not win today.
this year i shot a 97 ag 3 targets at the nationals for 5th place, 3 years ago i shot 96.25 ag on 4 targets for overall win..in score.
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Lee Hachigian
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You don’t need to show targets. Your peers know what it takes to win.
my light gun score win was 6 targets over 2 days. on day 2 i shot 3 49's with a total of 5x's. those three targets tied the existing record. this was lite gun, 600 yards i was around 2 1/2 " groups, for ref the current GROUP record single target at 600 is around .3"
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lee, i was asked plain and simple, it aint my peers, we are talking to POTENTIAL new shooters.
by the way i looked, i did not see your name anywhere in the ik nat list of shooters
Mike, comments like that last sentence may be a drag on our hoped-for revival.
see this is where we strain to see the future. you did not comment on his claim i did not need to show the targets, even tho it was a request by another poster. the target discussion was long range and lee does not shoot long range. so his comment was out of place again, but you reprimand me.
Lee Hachigian
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Sorry, I butted into your world. Have a nice day!
I never shot long range, and never will. I’m speaking as a experienced shooter, with 21 US Benchrest Hall of Fame points and a .1956 agg 3-Gun IBS World Record.
Sorry, I butted into your world. Have a nice day!
i know who you are, that is not an issue. but you ignored the fact that i was asked to post pics.
are you coming to phx for the nationals ??
no i will not be shooting but will be there. ben avery is my home range for short range, but i did not shoot this last year as dates conflicted with my long range dates.
mwezell
Mike Ezell
Agreed! Nicely centered up wind call and shooting! Congrats!
I understand that you were asked. I did not respond to Lee's post because it appears that his comment was directed to Mike Ezell, in what may not have been intended in a negative way.
mwezell
Mike Ezell
Seemed so.
he replied to me.
he replied to my post not lees. its a function of your software
your opinion of me is clearly showing thru
Lee, that's some great advice.
-Al