Berger 105 vld Thick vs standard

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Tod Soeby

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I just got one of many care packages from Sinclare. One of the items I ordered is 10 boxes of Berger 105 vld. What I got was VLD THICK (target only). Did they change something, or just re-name the regular bullets? If they are different, what will change, load wise?

Confused in ND,
Tod Soeby
 
Berger went to a thicker jacket on some of their bullets. This was done to resist blowing up bullets due to excess velocity, fouling, and/or any number of other variables. The new jackets are tougher and just as accurate as far as I've seen and heard. Because the jacket is thicker, it will resist deformation due to the lands engraving a little more, which will raise pressures a bit. How much will vary, but if you are on the edge with your load, it would be prudent to back down a bit and work back up.
Greg
 
These will be fired out of a dasher, so excess speed won't be much of a problem. I alredy have my load figured out with the standard bullets. I will have enough load development to do this spring.:eek: Also, My Jr. PETA member likes to stick deer with it. :D My guess is that the thick jackets won't expand on game. I think I will give Sinclare a call, unless someone here would like 1000 of the same lot #???
 
Hi Tod, Berger recommends thick jackets for target only, due to less expansion. I went with the hunting bullets, which are the same as what we shot last year in our Dashers. See you soon in Harris. I'll be bringing my A game. :D I have 600 maybe we can work something out. :cool:


Brian
 
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Tod Soeby

Tod
The standard VLD like you shot before is still good for hunting but the new thicker bullets aren't recommended.
In my guns the thicks didn't need any changes at all but back a few down just to be safe.The new Bergers are shooting real well right now.
Lynn
 
Tod,
Sorry for the confusion here, but the answers you've already been given in this thread are spot on. For more info and a complete explanation, go to our website, www.bergerbullets.com, and that should put any concerns to rest.

Thanks,
Kevin Thomas
Berger Bullets
 
Well, I got 10 boxes #'s matching regular VLD's on the way. I haven't decided what to do with the 10 boxes (#'s matching) thick jackets that I have. Sinclare is sending a call tag for them. I may keep a box and try them this spring. I will have enough on my plate with the other new stuff I have, and I don't want to do any more load development at this time. Like I said, anyone need them. It looks like Sinclare has lots of them, so i am guessing not.

I was a little confused when my local mom and pop gun store (where I like to buy as much stuff as I can) told me about the new "hunting" bullets from Berger. I guess this is what he was talking about.....Berger now calls these "hunting" bullets.

I guess!!:confused:
 
Tod,

Game hunters are doing very well with the VLD bullets made on the standard thickness jacket. The terminal performance is exceptional.

Once we made the jackets thicker to eliminate bullet failures during target competition conditions we knew that these bullets would have to be kept seperate from the hunting line since they do not perform the same on impact as the standard jackets.

Any VLD bullets that do not say "Target, Thick or Target Only" are made with our standard jacket. These are exactly the same as the bullets in the Hunting line. Keep in mind that these bullets have won matches and set records for decades so if you have not experienced bullet failures in the past these "Hunting" bullets are as capable of winning a match as our Target line.

Regards,
Eric
 
Eric, the thick or target bullets are the same o.d. as the older ones from a year or so ago, right? Hunting vld's (6mm105 and 30 210's) are the same as the vld's i have from a year or 2 ago as well? And will we be able to buy either in the future or will all the vld's be "target"? thanks chris
 
Eric Stecker said:
Tod,

Game hunters are doing very well with the VLD bullets made on the standard thickness jacket. The terminal performance is exceptional.

Once we made the jackets thicker to eliminate bullet failures during target competition conditions we knew that these bullets would have to be kept seperate from the hunting line since they do not perform the same on impact as the standard jackets.

Any VLD bullets that do not say "Target, Thick or Target Only" are made with our standard jacket. These are exactly the same as the bullets in the Hunting line. Keep in mind that these bullets have won matches and set records for decades so if you have not experienced bullet failures in the past these "Hunting" bullets are as capable of winning a match as our Target line.

Regards,
Eric
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I have been hunting deer with the 210 vld for almost 10 years now, and started using the 105 vld 6mm last year.....both with fantastic results!! And since Berger started putting those little notes in with the bullets stating that Berger bullets make great hunting bullets, I don't feel guilty about using them any more.:D For a while there they even came in blaze orange boxes.

Nobody is a bigger advocate for using your bullets for hunting than me. If you can't hit it, you cant kill it!!;)
 
Not Eric but....

chris 308 said:
Eric, the thick or target bullets are the same o.d. as the older ones from a year or so ago, right? Hunting vld's (6mm105 and 30 210's) are the same as the vld's i have from a year or 2 ago as well? And will we be able to buy either in the future or will all the vld's be "target"? thanks chris
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1. The ones I checked are the same o.d.
2. Yes the Hunting VLD's are the same jacket from a year or two ago but they may show dimentional changes so don't mix them.
3. Yes you will be able to buy them in either the Hunting VLD (thin jacket) or Target VLD (thick jacket).

I know I'm not Eric but I have worn Eric & Walt thin with questions about this so I could probably be a spokesperson on the subject now! :eek:

Hope that helps!
 
Will the new hard jackets shorten the life span of the barrel. What I mean is will they wear the rifling out faster than the softer jackets? :confused:

gt40
 
I shot the orange box 105 standard jackets yesterday at 1000 in a 6mmbr, they are as close to perfect as you can get. They shot small groups, even in the wind. I have 1000 of a lot# and am gonna look for more in the same lot# Ron Tilley
 
gt40 said:
Will the new hard jackets shorten the life span of the barrel. What I mean is will they wear the rifling out faster than the softer jackets? :confused:

gt40
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They are not "harder" they are "thicker". My understanding is that they increased thickness to add additional buffer to keep the heat from getting to the core.

This could start a debate but being that they are the same O.D. my guess is that they will produce the same amount of friction and barrel wear will be close to the same.
 
how much thiker..???

I dont have any of the thick ones ....just wonderin if someone culd cut up a cupla of em and see the difference.....sounds like a good winter time project...Roger
 
I just finished measuring the BTO (boat tail to ogive) on 300 of the same lot of thicks and they measured to within .002 in the group. I also completed the measuring of them in a Juenke machine and noted that they displayed a greater proportion of higher DU (Deviation Units ) than the original thin walled bullets. I am wondering if the thicker jackets have a negative affect on the Juenke measurements.
 
Carl Hansen

Carl
Did you measure any of the other thicks on the Juenke Machine besides the 105's ?
Lynn
 
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