.22 Rimfire zero at 200 meters

[doghunter]

G'day.

My local (Australian) club .22 rimfire comps are usually at 25m and 50m (open air).

The competition blokes have devised a 200m 'fly shoot' for .22 rimfires only. I want to be competitive, so using standard velocity rimfire ammo (about 1,100 fps), what sort of bullet drop can I expect at 200m? Sporting rifles only btw (no heavy barreled specials).

I have access to reasonable quality ammo (RWS, Lapua etc). I looked for an online calculator, they are great for a .223 or a .338 but could find nothing for the humble .22 rimfire. Any pointers? (I already know about the wind effect on a .22, that was today's training lesson). Current zero impact point is is dead on at 50m, scope adjustments are 'supposedly' 1/4 moa per click.

Regards * Danny M *

 

[Paul & Brock]

From zero: 42.8" (1.087 meters), -20.5MOA with 40Gr Eley Club, @1060ft/s
Zero'ed at 50YRDs: 40.00", -15.3MOA (61 clicks !)

 

[Brian_K]

ChairGun Pro

Hi Danny,

Have a look here: http://www.hawkeoptics.co.uk/chairgun.html#.UwnT2vl_srU

There are (free) downloads for desktops and phones. Mainly for air rifle shooters, but from memory there is a selection of rimfire ammo as well.

Also another download for the Hawke range of reticules.

Brian

 

[Brian_K]

Actually Danny, I’ve just refreshed my memory with Chairgun (haven’t used it for a while). There is no rimfire ammo included in the tables, but you can add it as new ammo.

Work on a G1 BC of 0.140 and you can then alter to suit your results.

Brian

 

[richie301]

Hornady has a quick ballistic calculator

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Use 25yd increments, set max yardage for 225 with a 100yd zero, .140 G1 BC and vel at 1060 or 1073 depending on ammo. After calculation look at 1st column for MOA rise at 225yds. You will be close if there is no wind. There is an advanced option also that calculates wind drift which is significant on the .22lr at 200 meters.
Rich

 

[Kirk J Larson]

We started shooting some informal benchrest at 200 yds here last year. I'm coming up about 20 MOA for 200 yds with a 50 yd zero. That would be a good starting point or a little more for 200 meters. It's a hoot, several 1 - 1.5 in groups at 200 yds, actually pretty impressive

Kirk J

 

[doghunter]

G'day.

Thanks heaps guys - the Hornady calculator did the trick. Just wondering how the B.C. of .140 was arrived at, or is this just a known factor?

I have printed a cheat sheet to get me started, now at least I have a ball park idea to get me on the paper, then it's a matter of getting to the range early and fine tuning things before the comp.

Regards * Danny *

 

[Brian_K]

Just wondering how the B.C. of .140 was arrived at, or is this just a known factor?

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ballistics/

Brian

 

[doghunter]

.22 Rimfire Ballistics

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ballistics/

Brian

Thanks for that mate.........beautiful info.

It is so sweet that people are kind to answer the most basic questions on this site.

Well done all of you!

The comp is in 2 weeks, range is open in 1 week so a practice session is looking good.
Of course the weather will change, whatever. Lol, I shall get back after the comp.

200m with a .22 rimfire is going to be fun, must watch that wind though.

Regards * Danny M *

 

[richie301]

.140 Bc is just an average of many bullet styles

These are from the firearms forum.


(.22 LONG RIFLE, Standard Vel. & Match Ammo--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist)

SWARTKLIP, 13-gr. LR SDP Subsonic Diabolo Pellet (SK006), 480 MV, 7 ME ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

LAPUA, 36-gr. LR Subsonic HP (4312246), 1033 MV, 85 ME, 0.118 BC
REMINGTON, 38-gr. LR Subsonic HP (SUB22HP), 1050 MV, 93 ME, 0.125 BC
AGUILA, 38-gr. LR Subsonic HP, 1025 MV, 88 MV, 0.111 BC
PMC, 38-gr. LR Modrator Subsonic Vel. (22SS), 1000 MV, 84 ME, 0.107 BC
RWS, 40-gr. R100 (213 4195), 1175 MV, 123 ME, 0.130 BC

REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Target Solid (6122) (6100), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.149 BC

WINCHESTER, 40-gr. T22 LR Std. Vel. Solid (XT22LR), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.149 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Ultramatch Solid (UM1), 1140 MV, 115 ME, 0.149 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Match Solid (900), 1140 MV, 115 ME, 0.149 BC
AGUILA, 40-gr. LR Std. Vel., 1135 MV, 114 ME, 0.158 BC

PMC, 40-gr. Scoremaster LR Std. Vel. Solid (22SM), 1135 MV, 114 ME, 0.111 BC

FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Biathlon Match Solid (22SM340), 1120 MV, 111 ME, 0.140 BC=Estimated

AGUILA, 40-gr. LR Match Golden Eagle, 1100 MV, 110 ME, 0.109 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Polar Biathlon Solid (4317023), 1100 MV, 107 ME, 0.108 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Tenex Ultimate EPS, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Match EPS, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Club, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Target, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.105 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Practice, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Standard, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Biathlon Match, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. LR Silhouex, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
REMINGTON/ELEY,40-gr. Match EPS (RE22EPS), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC
REMINGTON/ELEY, 40-gr. Club Extra (RE22CX), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC
REMINGTON/ELEY, 40-gr. Target Rifle (RE22T), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC
AGUILA, 40-gr. Match Rifle, 1080 MV, 100 ME, 0.197 BC

SELLIER and BELLOT, 40-gr. LR SB Standard (SBA02201), 1084 MV, 104 ME, 0.131 BC

SELLIER and BELLOT, 40-gr. LR SB Standard (SBA02202), 1084 MV, 104 ME, 0.131 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Ultramatch Solid (UM1B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.139 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Target Solid (711B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.138 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Match Solid (900B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.139 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR Target Rifle (213 2478), 1080 MV, 100 ME, 0.109 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Std. Vel. Solid (0032), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Green Tag Comp. Solid (0033), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Pistol Match Solid (0051), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR R50 (21304187), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Master Solid (4317033), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Midas L Solid (4317022), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Midas M Solid (4317021), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
NORMA 1, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15613), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
NORMA 2, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15614), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
NORMA 3, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15615), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR-Rifle Match Solid (22SM320), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.140 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Match Trng. Solid (22M320), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.130 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Super Club Solid (4317066), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.114 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Std. Rifle Club Solid (43122420), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.114 BC
WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Target Solid Round Nose, 1050 MV, 97.91 ME, ? BC*
WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Extra Solid Round Nose, 1033 MV, 94.77 ME, ? BC*
WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Gold Solid Round Nose, 1033 MV, 94.77 ME, ? BC*
PMC, 40-gr. Match Rifle (22MR), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.110 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR Rifle Match (213 4225), 1035 MV, 95 ME, 0.096 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Tenex Ultimate EPS Pistol, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Pistol Xtra, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Target Pistol, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Pistol King Solid (4317031), 1033 MV, 95 ME, 0.130 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Pistol Trainer Solid (4312260), 1033 MV, 95 ME, 0.130 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Pistol Match, 1000 MV, 89 ME, 0.140 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Pistol Match Solid (22SM300), 984 MV, 86 ME, 0.130 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Match Trng. Solid (22M300), 984 MV, 86 ME, 0.125 BC
PMC, 40-gr. Match Pistol (22MP), 900 MV, 72 ME, 0.095 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Lead HP (W22LRB), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. LR Subsonic Xtra Plus, 1065 MV, 100 ME, 0.115 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR Subsonic HP (213 2494), 1000 MV, 90 ME, 0.092 BC
LAPUA, 48-gr. LR Scoremax Solid (4317030), 1033 MV, 114 ME, 0.144 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Multi Match Solid (4317020), 1100 MV, 129 ME, 0.134 BC
AGUILA, 60-gr. SSS Sniper Subsonic, 950 MV, 120 ME, 0.090 BC

*NOTE: Queried WOLF company directly to verify the above, however, they said they did NOT have available any of the BCs for the above three loads, nor did they list the length of the test barrel or its rate of twist. Will try asking them again for the BCs, test barrel length and rate of twist.)



(.22 LONG RIFLE, High Velocity & Hyper Velocity)

AGUILA, 30-gr. Super Maximum Solid P., 1750 MV, 204 ME, 0.102 BC
AGUILA, 30-gr. Super Maximim Hollow P., 1750 MV, 204 ME, 0.102 BC

FEDERAL, 31-gr. LR Hyper Vel. HP Copper Pltd. (724), 1550 MV, 165 ME, 0.107 BC

CCI, 32-gr. LR Stinger HP (0050), 1640 MV, 191 ME, 0.103 BC
CCI, 32-gr. Quik-Shok (0064), 1640 MV, 191 ME, 0.103 BC
REMINGTON, 33-gr. LR Yellow Jacket HP (1722), 1500 MV, 165 ME, 0.107 BC

SWARTKLIP, 35-gr. LR SLD Spitzer Low Drag (SK001), 1410 MV, 157 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR Viper Solid (1922), 1410 MV, 159 ME, 0.117 BC
SELLIER and BELLOT, 36-gr. LR HV (SBA02206), 1330 MV, 141 ME, 0.091 BC

LAPUA, 36-gr. LR HP (4312245), 1345 MV, 145 ME, 0.122 BC
CCI, 36-gr. LR Mini-Mag HP (0031), 1280 MV, 135 ME, 0.126 BC
REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR Cyclone HP (CY22HP), 1280 MV, 131 ME, 0.124 BC
REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR HP (1622), 1280 MV, 131 ME, 0.124 BC
FEDERAL, 36-gr. LR HP (730), 1255 MV, 125 ME, 0.125 BC
WINCHESTER, 36-gr. LR HP (XPERT22), 1220 MV, 122 ME, 0.105 BC
WINCHESTER, 37-gr. LR HP (X22LRH), 1280 MV, 135 ME, 0.128 BC
ELEY, 37.5-gr. LR HV Hollow, 1312 MV, 143, ME, 0.193 BC
SELLIER and BELLOT, 38-gr. HV HP (SBA02203), 1281 MV, 138 ME, 0.102 BC
AGUILA, 38-gr. LR High Vel. HP, 1280 MV, 138 ME, 0.124 BC

SWARTKLIP, 38-gr. LR SXHP Super Hollow Point (SK002), 1340 MV, 156 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

AMERICAN EAGLE (Federal) 38-gr. LR Hollow Point Copper-Plated (AE22), 1280 MV, 140 ME, 0.132 BC

FEDERAL, 38-gr. LR HP Copper-Plated (712), 1280 MV, 140 ME, 0.132 BC
PMC, 38-gr. Zapper LR High Vel. HP CC (22D), 1280 MV, 138 ME, 0.109 BC

SWARTKLIP, 39-gr. STB Sabre Tip Bullet (SK004), 1340 MV, 150 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Speed Ace Solid (4312243), 1345 MV, 161 ME, 0.120 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. LR HV Solid, 1312 MV, 153 ME, 0.193 BC

AMERICAN EAGLE (Federal) 40-gr. LR Solid (AE5022), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Solid, Copper Plated (710) (810), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Solid (510), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Silhouette (0065), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR HS Mini-Mag Solid (0030), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
PMC, 40-gr. Zapper LR High Vel. Solid CC (22CC), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.121 BC
REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Solid (1522), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Thunderbolt Solid (TB22A), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Wildcat Solid (WW22LR), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Solid (X22LR), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC
AGUILA 40-gr. LR High Velocity, 1250 MV, 139 ME, 0.141 BC
PMC, 40-gr. Sidewinder LR High Vel. Solid (22SC), 1250 MV, 139 ME, 0.121 BC
CCI, 40-gr. Velocitor HP (0047), 1435 MV, 183 ME, 0.132 BC
RWS, 40-gr. High Velocity HP (213 2494), 1310 MV, 150 ME, 0.104 BC

WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Power-Point HP (X22LRPP), 1280 MV, 146 ME, 0.118 BC

SWARTKLIP, 45-gr. SHP Solid Heavyweight Bullet (SK003), 1225 MV, 156 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)



(.22 WINCHESTER MAGNUM RIMFIRE--WMR)

CCI, 30-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag + V HP (0059), 2200 MV, 322 ME, 0.084 BC
CCI, 30-gr. WMR TNT HP (0063), 2200 MV, 322 ME, 0.084 BC
FEDERAL, 30-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (767), 2200 MV, 325 ME, 0.088 BC
FEDERAL, 30-gr. WMR TNT JHP (P765), 2200 MV, 325 ME, 0.079 BC

REMINGTON, 33-gr. WMR Premier V-Max Boat Tail (R22M1), 2000 MV, 293 ME, 0.137 BC

WINCHESTER 34-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (S22WM), 2120 MV, 338 ME, 0.102 BC
CCI, 40-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag Solid (0023), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. WMR FMJ Solid (737), 1910 MV, 325 ME, 0.111 BC

PMC, 40-gr. WMR Predator Magnum Jacketed Soft Point (22WMA), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.183 BC

PMC, 40-gr. WMR Predator Magnum Jacketed Hollow Point (22WMB), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.183 BC

REMINGTON, 40-gr. WMR Pointed Soft Point Solid (R22M2), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.114 BC

WINCHESTER, 40-gr. WMR FMJ Solid (X22M), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
CCI, 40-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag HP (0024), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
REMINGTON, 40-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (R22M2), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.116 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (X22MH), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
FEDERAL, 50-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (757), 1650 MV, 302 ME, 0.158 BC
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[Brian_K]

Now that is about as comprehensive information as you’re going to get

Me, I’d go for RWS 100 or Lapua Biathlon, but I’ve never shot a rimfire past 100yds.

Let us know how you get on, sounds interesting.

Brian

 

[glp]

100 yard zero

With std velocity ammo, you will need about 40-45 inches of come up in your scope or sight. On my unertl quarter minute per click scope that's about 90 clicks counterclockwise. Of course at metres you'll need more but that should put you on the paper. Greg

 

[Dave Shattuck]

Now that is about as comprehensive information as you’re going to get

Me, I’d go for RWS 100 or Lapua Biathlon, but I’ve never shot a rimfire past 100yds.

Let us know how you get on, sounds interesting.

Brian

Yea Brian, and just think, he's trying to shoot flies at that distance! I've held Fly Shoots at 50Y for rimfire - but 200? That's insane!

Good luck mate, and as Brian said, keep us informed about all the fun.

You know, an egg is many times larger than a fly, especially if it were an Emu Egg, but still would be one hell of a challenge at 200M. Or will that be used as the tie-breaker?

Dave

 

[Brian_K]

You know, an egg is many times larger than a fly, especially if it were an Emu Egg

I agree Dave, something bigger is needed, I was thinking more in this direction

(a fellow club mate playing around in Iraq in 2008)

Brian

 

[doghunter]

I shall get back

Yea Brian, and just think, he's trying to shoot flies at that distance! I've held Fly Shoots at 50Y for rimfire - but 200? That's insane!

Good luck mate, and as Brian said, keep us informed about all the fun.
Dave

G'day guys.

The help from the forum has been quite valuable.

The insane rules are not of my choosing, just a committee trying to challenge us all at the local range.
Last Xmas, we had to shoot balloons at 300m with .22 rimfires. Freestanding (no bench) and with enough breeze to bobble the targets.
Not wishing to fiddle with the sights it was a matter of aiming off about 12 feet and watching where the dust spurted up, adjust the aim until a balloon went pop. Many teams (of 2 people) managed to bag all their 5 balloons.

It may not be rocket science but it sure was good fun.

First 200m comp is Sunday 9th March. I shall definitely get back with a report. As one respondent has already stated, it's going to be a hoot. My biggest worry is where to pinch a spotting scope to see the holes at 200m to get me on the paper. The ballistic info offered so far has been a great help.

Regards * Danny M *

 

[Marines]

I agree Dave, something bigger is needed, I was thinking more in this direction

(a fellow club mate playing around in Iraq in 2008)

Brian

Looks like ammo techs playing around with mortar propellant from a 4.2 mortar.( Vietnam 1971)we did it.

 

[Marines]

Dog hunter

How was the 200m shoot
? All are waiting to hear...what kind of ammo did you use?

 

[Brian_K]

Looks like ammo techs playing around with mortar propellant from a 4.2 mortar.( Vietnam 1971)we did it.

Gone metric now Marines........81mm

Brian

 

[doghunter]

200m Fly Shoot Report

How was the 200m shoot
? All are waiting to hear...what kind of ammo did you use?

G'day guys.

Well; about 10 people entered the Wodonga SSAA 200m Fly Shoot.

It was hot, it was windy with mirage....but it was fun.

The rulemakers came up with: 15 shots at the target, best 10 to score.

As soon as we had finished 50m benchrest we put some practice targets out at 200m.
The scoring ring is 8" dia, with the 10 ring 1.5" dia. It has a fly 0.75" x 0.75" at the centre.

Rifles used ranged from lightweight .22 hunting rigs through to Anschutz 64's (It was a laid back, fun event, we were not shooting for sheep-stations - just prestige). I used my Russian Izhmash Biathlon T-bolt and CCI 40gn 1073fps (with the wind it would have been a waste to use RWS R50 at triple the price).

According to the Hornady calculator and also Chairgun, I had to elevate by 116 clicks of my 0.25 moa scope (28") from my 50m zero point. As the Lynx scope that I was using has 60 clicks per rev this meant nearly 2 full turns plus 16 right (wind)

My first 3 sighter's actually hit the paper, about 10" high and left. Quite an encouraging start, as the target was shimmering in the heat (32°C /89°F), wind was gusting to about 10 mph from behind & right.

Mate with an Anschutz 64 with 24x Sightron won, I got a score but nothing to write home about (was not last though, even managed 2 x 10's).

More important were the personal lessons learned:
1. The ballistic software was pretty accurate in it's predictions.
2. Wind ain't the same at 200m as it is back at the bench and it really pushes the little .22 rimfire about.
3. Lynx scope calibrations are accurate, and when returned to the 50m zero and test fired it was spot on again.
4. More practice......more practice......
5. You blokes are a great bunch for helping me out with my initial question

Regards * Danny *

 

[Brian_K]

(with the wind it would have been a waste to use RWS R50 at triple the price).

Tight bugger

Great report Danny, I enjoyed it, although I have to confess not something I’d try myself………then again !!!

Brian
ps.we had 32c here, once