Tuners

jackie schmidt said:
Yes, they work.
What a tuner does, (I have been shooting them for a long time), is optimize a barrel. In other words, what ever a barrel has in it, the tuner will help you find it.
The are not magic. I have been known to adjust mine during a match, and get things right. I have also been known to adjust mine during a match, and really stink things up.

What I normally do when I put on a barrel is stick my pet load in, and adjust on the tuner untill I get it shooting at a competitive level. I then try to resist messing with it after that. i tune 133 by humidity, if it goes way down, I add about .4 to the load.

There are a lot of shooters who expouse a lot of theories about tuners who have never won a single agg using one.........jackie
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Francis and Myself, and my son Eric have won IBS score Nationals with the use of the Beggs Tuners Jackie.
 
I have made up a few tuners using a muzzle brake with a bronze locking ring behind it. These are not usually legal for the BR games but they do work. The added weight makes them very sensitive to adjustment. On most barrels the tune is with in 45 degrees of Rotation.

I have played with these on three of my field barrels. Often I preload and tune is SE FL and then shoot in West TN or out West. Big difference in the D.A. With the Brake-Tuner I can usually tune the barrel to field conditions in 3 to 10 shots.
 
Paul, noted shooter Ralph Stewart, who is on the USA World Benchrest Team, uses a tuner very similiar to the Beggs, it might be a Beggs. He does pretty darned good with it

30 caliber Guru Mike Stinnett also uses the same set-up........jackie
 
If winning with a tuner proves the tuner is effective, then does winning without one prove it is not needed?
 
Anecdote

At the Match last week end in Seymour, I shot my 30BR, which has a tuner of my own design. In match one, I openned up with a .150 in some really crummy conditions. In Match 2, the condition turned to more of a ebbing and flowing straight accross. For match 2,3 and 4, I simply could not get a handle on it, straight accross flat "threes" were killing me.

I finally decided I was in that "flat tune" that can be as hard on the agg as .300 of verticle. So, in match 5, I turned my tuner just 1/2 turn, and shooting in the exact same condition, laid down a sweet, round .126.

The Rifle kept shooting on into the 200 yard leg, right up untill the time I decided to shoot my group on the wrong target.

That is one instance where a tuner comes in handy. Personally, I could care less if anybody uses a tuner, or not. Everybody knows that I was instrumental in getting tuners legalized in the NBRSA, but no where in the rules does it say a shooter has to use one.

Ammended Statement....Everybody knows that I was quite vocal in my efforts to get the NBRSA to legalize the use of tuners in Registered Competition. But I had no influence in an official capacity as I was not and have never been on the NBRSA Board of Directors............jackie
 
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Jackie;
I would like to know just exactly what it is that you did, or how you were instrumental in any way in getting Muzzle tuning devices legalized in the NBRSA ????

the following is a copy of the minutes from the Board of directors meeting on October 4th. 2003 in Phoenix Arizona, this is copied from the NBRSA area on this web site, so anybody can look it up.

It is on page 7 of those minutes.



"Bukys exhibited a muzzle attachment that is being used as a muzzle-tuning device by some competitors.
Bukys moved to allow that tuning devices may be attached to the muzzle of a barrel to serve as a muzzletuning
device. The rifle, with the attachment in place, must still meet rifle weight requirements.
Whitebread seconded. The motion carried with 5 in favor (Morton, Bukys, Whitebread, Mundy, and
Miller) and 4 opposing (Cole, Haslett, Harris, and Mellor). It was noted that the General Membership
Meeting at next year’s Nationals must also approve this equipment change rule before it will
actually become a rule."


I did not talk to you about muzzle tuning devices at all before it happened??? I discussed it with Dwight Scott before I went into the meeting. This Idea did not come from the Gulf Coast Region.

Gene Bukys
Former director, Gulf Coast Region
 
Gene,
You are correct, I was not a member of the BOD, nor did or do I have any other official capacity with the NBRSA. I am nothing more than a member of the NBRSA that used any means at his disposal to push for the legalizing of tuners in NBRSA Competition.

Most of that entailed open discussions on these Forums, and conversations with fellow shooters, and building and testing my own designs with the anticipation that the BOD would vote in the affirmative.

Not much in the Grand Scheme of things. I have ammended post #28 to reflect this........jackie
 
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Boyd Allen said:
Tim,
Integrated tuner? Perhaps a picture....Does that mean that the rest of us are shooting segregated tuners ;-) Sounds like something is working, but I seem to remember hearing (Neary/Boyer) that tuning for a "dot" can be dangerous because of just what you experienced. Of course many days I wish that I could get just a little closer to that danger.
Boyd
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Sorry for the delay Boyd ,Here is a pic ,non intigrated brake/tuner at the top , middle is the intigrated brake/tuner and intigrated tuner at the bottom . Tim in Tx
 
Tim,
Nice looking work. I would like to know more about the rifles, caliber etc, as well as what sort of results were obtained.
Boyd
 
Well,Boyd the top is a 7mag,middle is 22-250 and the bottom is a 6 Dasher,Rem actions Kiff bolts and Nf scopes .Results have been excellent.Do a search and find intigrated tuner test at Gene Beggs tunnel.That will give you a good idea of what I am trying to do.Just one way of many to tune. Tim inTx
 
Tim in Tx
Who did the spider Web on the middle barrel ? Thanks Max
 
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Sorry for the delay Boyd ,Here is a pic ,non intigrated brake/tuner at the top , middle is the intigrated brake/tuner and intigrated tuner at the bottom . Tim in Tx
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The integrated tuner is illegal for short range BR competition, since it is outside the barrel contour rules. But I can't think of a single reason why. If a screwed or glued on tuner is legal, why can't an integrated tuner be legal? It would open up lots of possibilities for innovation.

Just a thought,
Keith
 
Max, the spider web finish is a product of placing the finished, and polished, barrel inside that plastic web material that Krieger ships barrels in. You then powder blast the barrel, the plastic acts as a masking, producing that finish.

Speedy sort of came up with that, I think Stick still does it..........jackie
 
Hi Max,Yes Jackie is correct, kind of a neat effect ,cuts down on glare but still sparkles in the sun. Speedy had given me permission to do this on my rifles.Tim in Tx
 
hey keith ,I would imagine that any class that allows bull barrels[ straight 1.250]will have to let the intigrated tuner stand because it is just a turned down bull barrel.but on the other hand a regular barrel can be cut in the same fashion but how small of an exit hole I cannot say yet.but will know soon. Tim in Tx
 
I would say that since there were only 9 people in attendance at the closed door meeting that someone had to make the motion even if they were not one of the originals in creating the tuners.
And as was stated it still had to be voted on by the general membership where the real work comes from. With such a tight vote of 5-4 some one had to do an awful lot of work to educate people. And arrogance does not educate.
 
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