TOP actions of the SS
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I have a difficult time figuring out why Jim Kelbly is being criticized for being proud of the products he make and sells. If he didn't believe they were the best, why would he be selling them? And if he does believe they are the best, why shouldn't he say so? Is he somehow prohibited from saying what he believes in a public forum just because they are his products? When I see someone being extremely critical toward someone else on one of these forums , I always wonder if they would be as caustic face to face. I know I've certainly made that mistake, but I try very hard to remember that there is a real person on the other side of this screen. If I wouldn't say it to his face, I try to avoid saying it in print, but that's just me.
Rick
Rick
CYanchycki
Club Coordinator
Yes I started
This thread. It was not meant to criticize. It was to state MY OPINION about top actions of the SS and possibly see others opinions. I just pointed out what the results showed. Nothing more.
On a side note, it is okay to boast about ones product on the Forums but it is not okay to discuss issues if there is an issue with a business or individual. That cannot be discussed. That is not okay.
Yes an earlier post got under my skin. I was made to feel that if I DO NOT use a particular brand I am handicapped in comparison to those who use them or afford them.
Unfortunately there are those of us who were not blessed with a degree/education or wealth in our families to assist us as young adults starting out in life. Then there are those who have it all. Some were handed it while others busted there butts to get what they have.
Anyway, this is not about that.
What I do know is the people I talk with and the information that we share amongst ourselves. GOD forbid we question or voice our opinion about power houses of this game. There are many of us at your mercies when it comes to ALL the components we use and the gun builders we use hoping they will build or sell us a TOP KNOTCH COMPETITIVE rifle.
So to those I annoyed, I apologize.
I will be at the East/West trying my best to beat the top shooters in the US. Whether I surpass many or fail I know I will enjoy every moment.
Just remember, TEAM BLAME CANADA
This thread. It was not meant to criticize. It was to state MY OPINION about top actions of the SS and possibly see others opinions. I just pointed out what the results showed. Nothing more.
On a side note, it is okay to boast about ones product on the Forums but it is not okay to discuss issues if there is an issue with a business or individual. That cannot be discussed. That is not okay.
Yes an earlier post got under my skin. I was made to feel that if I DO NOT use a particular brand I am handicapped in comparison to those who use them or afford them.
Unfortunately there are those of us who were not blessed with a degree/education or wealth in our families to assist us as young adults starting out in life. Then there are those who have it all. Some were handed it while others busted there butts to get what they have.
Anyway, this is not about that.
What I do know is the people I talk with and the information that we share amongst ourselves. GOD forbid we question or voice our opinion about power houses of this game. There are many of us at your mercies when it comes to ALL the components we use and the gun builders we use hoping they will build or sell us a TOP KNOTCH COMPETITIVE rifle.
So to those I annoyed, I apologize.
I will be at the East/West trying my best to beat the top shooters in the US. Whether I surpass many or fail I know I will enjoy every moment.
Just remember, TEAM BLAME CANADA
geo.ulrich
Member
well said and it goes for more than a few on here
geo.ulrich
Member
dragman
New member
Just my 0.02
some forms of shooting are becoming very closed doors to some of the newer shooters. clicks of people, special rules, systems, points, dues, etc. all have contributed to a lot of people not trying some of these "BIG" matches and getting involved. I am not pointing out any group just making a blank statement. I do believe there are a lot of shooters capable of winning or at least competing at these matches that stick to smaller local stuff for either reasons above or just because that's what time or the $$$ allows.
some forms of shooting are becoming very closed doors to some of the newer shooters. clicks of people, special rules, systems, points, dues, etc. all have contributed to a lot of people not trying some of these "BIG" matches and getting involved. I am not pointing out any group just making a blank statement. I do believe there are a lot of shooters capable of winning or at least competing at these matches that stick to smaller local stuff for either reasons above or just because that's what time or the $$$ allows.
geo.ulrich
Member
I would agree with this with one addition that if at smaller matches the shooters winning the big matches were also there. Otherwise its just speculation. But then again shooters winning big matches do not generally bring there best stuff to small matches..
Um, Yea Right.
I went to the Nationals last year and I am going this year. Last year IBS. This year NBRSA.
And yes I pay to be a member of both. I guess that's the special dues thingie. $50 to shoot with the best shooters in the country is pretty cheap.
100 y unlimited warm up match. I was 10th place with a bag gun. At the end of 5 matches I still beat some rail guns. Yea it was fun........And I never heard a contrary word or nothing. A little praise from a Gunsmith/famous shooter......
adamsgt
Jerry Adams
I guess I don't understand why some shooters are called lemmings because they look at what is succeeding and see that they don't have to re-invent the wheel to get started. Is there some idea that you have to "pay your dues" by starting with crap and working the sows ear into a silk purse? I started out by buying a used Grizzly II actiioned rifle at The Whittington center and a couple of used Bat actiioned rifles over the next couple of years at the Whittington center as well. Does that make me a lemming? I have a large fount of ignorance concerning benchrest shooting that I'm trying to shrink. I've bought and read the books by Precision shooting, Tony Boyer and Mike Ratigan. I've downloaded Neary's videos as well. I realize that what you glean from books means nothing until you press the trigger. Trigger time is where the rubber meets the road. There's an old saying that "practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect". In order to have perfect practice you have to have a plan.If you don't you're just burning powder and wasting expensive bullets. That's where I'm stuck at the moment. I don't have a good enough plan that verifies how something went as planned or helped me identify why something went awry. Anyway, I'm working on it. Don't know that I'll ever win a match but I'm enjoying the journey. And that's my two cents worth.
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B.Larson
New member
I COULD`NT DIAGREE MORE.......FROM EXPERIENCE...... I shoot/compete/practice at 22 Rf...hunter benchrest ( 50 yds.),high power silhouette 200-500m,RF silhouette 40-100M,"F" class 600-1200 yds.,Big bore African simulated targets 25-100 yds.
Any match I have ever entered ( SS.. once 97.?...,2007 "F" class nats....2011 "F" class nats....)...from the get go.....couldn't have been treated better....questions answered honestly...advice...coaching..... even offers of gun and or ammo loans...spot scope..... mirage reading ...etc..etc,....
The exposure to new equipment and meeting new people is invaluable...... what you can learn from a day/weekend/week at a match corresponds to years of trial and error on your own.....
bill larson
CYanchycki
Club Coordinator
For you shooters in the US
you do get numbers at your matches. I know things are territorial but the numbers are definately greater than here in Canada. With those numbers comes rifles for sale, and most importatly the major component, MENTORSHIP.
What I do not understand is how can one set aside a great barrel or rifle to shoot a lesser at smaller shoots or even practice sessions. How do you know if that thrown shot is the rifle or you? you supposedly are shooting with a inferior barrel or rifle just to save that one for the BIG match.
I do know now that I wish the Kreiger I just screwed off of my rifle I was JUST screwing it on today. Not having the mentor it took me until about 1400 rounds before I realized what I good barrel it was. That barrel could shoot a LOT of 3's at 200. The 2 matches I won last year were won at 200. The first not as handily but the second a lot bigger margin. This was even shooting the NO NO left to right when the right to left was the predominant condition. Something I have luck with left to right just as my point of aim is naturally at 12:00 on the mothball.
SO MANY LITTLE THINGS ABOUT THIS GAME. HOW CAN IT BE BORING?????????
you do get numbers at your matches. I know things are territorial but the numbers are definately greater than here in Canada. With those numbers comes rifles for sale, and most importatly the major component, MENTORSHIP.
What I do not understand is how can one set aside a great barrel or rifle to shoot a lesser at smaller shoots or even practice sessions. How do you know if that thrown shot is the rifle or you? you supposedly are shooting with a inferior barrel or rifle just to save that one for the BIG match.
I do know now that I wish the Kreiger I just screwed off of my rifle I was JUST screwing it on today. Not having the mentor it took me until about 1400 rounds before I realized what I good barrel it was. That barrel could shoot a LOT of 3's at 200. The 2 matches I won last year were won at 200. The first not as handily but the second a lot bigger margin. This was even shooting the NO NO left to right when the right to left was the predominant condition. Something I have luck with left to right just as my point of aim is naturally at 12:00 on the mothball.
SO MANY LITTLE THINGS ABOUT THIS GAME. HOW CAN IT BE BORING?????????
Yancheng
Yanch,
Discipline!
If you you get a barrel that looks really good in evaluations put it away! Pull it out when a big match comes for another look but don't burn it up.
You have to realize you are shooting against people that buy barrels by the pallets. Yes they're fine shooters, maybe no better than many others, but they evaluate more barrels in a month than you may in five years. If you get a a good barrel don't use it in the Tri County Classic. You may not look good in the little matches, but if you want to see how you really stack up, pick your places to use your rare good stuff.
Yanch,
Discipline!
If you you get a barrel that looks really good in evaluations put it away! Pull it out when a big match comes for another look but don't burn it up.
You have to realize you are shooting against people that buy barrels by the pallets. Yes they're fine shooters, maybe no better than many others, but they evaluate more barrels in a month than you may in five years. If you get a a good barrel don't use it in the Tri County Classic. You may not look good in the little matches, but if you want to see how you really stack up, pick your places to use your rare good stuff.
Back to the original observation
Calvin,
An interesting observation.
However, perhaps a more pertinent and telling question might be.... how many of those BAT's in the Top 20 were shot "au natural" as opposed to "doctored" by the many competent gunsmiths around the country?
Peter
Calvin,
An interesting observation.
However, perhaps a more pertinent and telling question might be.... how many of those BAT's in the Top 20 were shot "au natural" as opposed to "doctored" by the many competent gunsmiths around the country?
Peter
Uthink Uknow
New member
Here's a little, true story.
Don Mulder bought a rifle from Alex Dutko some years back (all my stories are old stories) and Don was killing us at the local matches. At a match at Harrison, small and unregistered match, he asked me if I thought he should save that barrel for the big shoots. It took me no time at all to ask him which he enjoyed more, kicking our asses or finishing 20th at Super Shoot. He left the barrel on and dominated for a while at Harrison. But, big but, he had the time of his life doing it. Sooooo, it boils down to what you want out of Benchrest. Well, that's my take on that subject.
Don Mulder bought a rifle from Alex Dutko some years back (all my stories are old stories) and Don was killing us at the local matches. At a match at Harrison, small and unregistered match, he asked me if I thought he should save that barrel for the big shoots. It took me no time at all to ask him which he enjoyed more, kicking our asses or finishing 20th at Super Shoot. He left the barrel on and dominated for a while at Harrison. But, big but, he had the time of his life doing it. Sooooo, it boils down to what you want out of Benchrest. Well, that's my take on that subject.
SGJennings
New member
Look toward the top of the page. See that banner ad? That's paid advertising. That's why and that's the only reason.
Mike Bryant
Active member
If that's the reason that Jim is being criticized for his post, then I don't understand that. As the Kelbly's are paid advertisers on benchrest.com and have been ever since it was created.
X 2 I'm thinking that paying for an ad doesn't prohibit Jim from having an opinion
Rick