Suppressors in F-T/R class?

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JamieD

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After doing some more research and talking with some people as well as some of the shooters here on F-class I had to change my post. Although when I built my .223 I was under the impression that suppressors were legal. It is now banned and I do understand how it could effoect the sport and the calibers used. Although I would love to use it and hope someday they re-look at it. I do understand there thinking.

The Suppressor is such an amazing tool. Up until a few years ago I never new they were legal to own let alone hunt with here in PA. Now that I have one, I wish I would have bought one ten years ago. My hearing is nearly destroyed for years of military, police, shooting and hunting. Protecting what little I have left is important to me and the suppressor really helps with blasts and noise. If you haven't shot one you should try one. A little pricey, but what a great tool.

Thanks,
JamieD
 
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Jamie

JMHO but there are ways to address a rules issue and this Forum is not one of them. F Class rules were revised just recently to prohibit suppressors and I can't imagine that they would consider a reversal this soon. Especially coming from a shooter who does not shoot F Class. If you direct your energy toward the NRA and the appropriate rules committee you might win some support but it's not going to happen tomorrow. Rules change and evolve slowly.

Many of your comments appear to be personal ones. Rules are not established to address individual objections. You are not being denied any right to own or use a suppressor. Making comments such as the NRA being responsible for someone damaged by the rules will get you little sympathy. If you don't like the F Class rules, don't shoot F Class. Your attitude is more one of a spoiled child than an adult.

Again, JMHO

Ray
 
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Jamie,

It is an axiom of any fair sport that any potential development or advantage possible must be universally available to competitors.

Accordingly, your crusade is misdirected & should be channelled towards those states who do not permit their ownership. Once that issue is resolved, then a reasoned argument should be proposed to the NRA.

John
 
Ray after reading the post in whole I re-adjusted it. I guess it came out wrong from what my intentions are. I am hoping some of the people involved in the rule making would see the post or someone can supply me a name. I have contacted the NRA.

I have shot many shoots and planned on shooting F-T/R Class in 2010 and built a rifle intentially for just that. I am erked that some people complained about it's use just to keep it off of the playing field. It is a tool and a great one at that - I love taking it hunting and see no unfair advantage for me using it in a match or dissadvantage to others I shoot against.

It's the other persons problem and fight if they can use it in thier state - not mine. I have been to game commision meetings and voiced for the sportsman on issues I believe in in my state.

JamieD
 
JamieD said:
Ray after reading the post in whole I re-adjusted it. I guess it came out wrong from what my intentions are. I am hoping some of the people involved in the rule making would see the post or someone can supply me a name. I have contacted the NRA.
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High Power Rules Committee, meets in October. I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure out who to get ahold of from there. As Ray mentioned... good luck on getting a reversal when they just clarified the wording within the last year.

BTW, this is more or less a side show here on Benchrest Central... usarifleteams.com aka long-range.com is where the more or less de facto NRA Long Range forums are.


see no unfair advantage for me using it in a match or disadvantage to others I shoot against.
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Shoot something bigger than a .223 with and without a can and you may start to see the advantage, especially when spread out over 60-80rds per day, 3-5 days (such as a Regional or State championship). Shooting a big magnum (because if we allow a suppressor for your .223, we have to allow it for those who want to shoot a .338 Edge pumping 300gr bullets down range @ 2900fps too) such as that without a brake is not feasible for most people... which keeps the playing field somewhat level, even in F/Open. Currently there's only so much self-inflicted abuse people can take and still shoot consistently ;)
 
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High Power Rules Committee, meets in October. I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure out who to get ahold of from there. As Ray mentioned... good luck on getting a reversal when they just clarified the wording within the last year.

BTW, this is more or less a side show here on Benchrest Central... usarifleteams.com aka long-range.com is where the more or less de facto NRA Long Range forums are.




Shoot something bigger than a .223 with and without a can and you may start to see the advantage, especially when spread out over 60-80rds per day, 3-5 days (such as a Regional or State championship). Shooting a big magnum (because if we allow a suppressor for your .223, we have to allow it for those who want to shoot a .338 Edge pumping 300gr bullets down range @ 2900fps too) such as that without a brake is not feasible for most people... which keeps the playing field somewhat level, even in F/Open. Currently there's only so much self-inflicted abuse people can take and still shoot consistently ;)
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Milanuk,
I see your point and yes that could be a deal braker. My fear is this, as things like this get banned in competition, states notice. The mentallity of well if you can't use it in matches or it's banned from NRA competitions than why should we allow it for hunting, or even ownership. If it's banned than there must be a seriouse reason why.
We loose rights a little every day and someone always looking to take more. It's ashame that it can't be universaly accepted. It's a great tool. A friend of mine who lived in Britain said they could be purchased at the local hardware store and it was actually considered rude to shoot without one.
I do understand what you are saying about open class though. To bad it couldn't go state by state and shoot it in states where it is allowed by law that way everone had a choice whether to use one or not.

Thanks for the info on the other sites.
JamieD
 
Shoot something bigger than a .223 with and without a can and you may start to see the advantage, especially when spread out over 60-80rds per day, 3-5 days (such as a Regional or State championship).
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Yep!!! I shot the first day of the nationals with a fellow who is from Georgia, had a few rifles outfitted with a can. Supressors are illeagal to own in Michigan, so I had a few questions to ask about their effectiveness. He confirmed the fact that a can makes a heck of a good brake on a .308.

F-TR means target rifle. I'd say lets keep it that way and leave the cans home... ;)
 
Did he shoot it in F-T/R and was that before the new rules?

I do understand, although I love it as a tool and for my ears.

JamieD
 
Did he shoot it in F-T/R and was that before the new rules?
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No, he didn't use it in F-TR matches.

He did say they heat up quickly which would be an issue in F-Class along with the fact of questionable accuracy at longer ranges.
 
Jamie,

Just a point of clarification... this isn't some 'new' rule. It was a clarification of an existing one that never even came into question before F-class started (trying to hang a can off a rifle with a front sight would be... interesting). Since the majority of folks pushing for cans were obviously trying to circumvent the compensator/brake rule, they didn't gain much traction.

I'd say maybe approach getting brakes legalized, but that might be a mess to police on the line. It's not just about F-Class either; at some events you may see F-Class and sling shooters interspersed. We have a hard enough time getting along with them without blasting them with a muzzle brake too.

Monte
 
I was just on long range.com and they permit them in the U.K. and they are common in f-class. Why not here then.

JamieD
 
Because its a different country with a different culture?

Seriously, after shooting @ Bisley this summer... it's a nice place and all, but you really *don't* want their firearms laws, or any part or parcel thereof.
 
There are even some states here in the U.S. that do not trust their citizens, like California. We are not allowed suppressors lest we use them to overthrow our Sacramento oppressors. ;)
 
Milanuk,
That would be pretty awsome to shoot. Really loking forward to trying a different discapline. F-T/R is what I built this rifle for and I thought at the time they were allowed. Rules change and so will I if I want the score to count :)
Thanks for letting me bleed off some steam without totally flaming me. I do understand what it could lead too with the much bigger than normal calibers. I do hope someday they relook at it but time will tell.

Have a good Christmas,
JamieD
 
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