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Wideglide
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Which is the best way to go full sizing or neck sizing brass ? This would be for benchrest shooting.
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j mckinnie
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a die that uses neck bushes and get your head space right
a die that uses neck bushes and get your head space right
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Wideglide
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I have redding competition bushing style neck sizing die set which have the body die. But to get your headspace don't you have to bump the shoulder back which is full lenght sizing the case? What I have read it's best not to size your cases full lenght. I don't think I want to get into having a custom sizing die made. The redding competition dies where $200
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mike in co
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what caliber ??
expecting BENCHREST results with off the shelf dies is like going to a nascar race with a car off the dealers floor....
mike in co
expecting BENCHREST results with off the shelf dies is like going to a nascar race with a car off the dealers floor....
mike in co
Fergus Bailey
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Where did you read this? I am guessing it was something originally printed 20+ years ago? Buy and read something current - "Extreme Rifle Accuracy" by, Mike Ratigan, and "The Book of Rifle Accuracy", by Tony Boyer and you will not see anything recommended, except what Al & Jim have described.
Talking about minimal body sizing, and actually achieving it are 2 different things. Die fit is a very important consideration for benchrest, and what die you use will be influenced by the chamber you have in a given barrel. You may have no choice but to invest in a custom sizing die.
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Wideglide
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Not thinking redding dies would be called off the shelf dies.
I was thinking they where better grade dies than.( lee, rcbs. lyman....
This is just local gun club competition. I don't want to spend my life saving.
I just have a savage 12 (22-250) but like to get the most out of my reloads.
I was thinking they where better grade dies than.( lee, rcbs. lyman....
This is just local gun club competition. I don't want to spend my life saving.
I just have a savage 12 (22-250) but like to get the most out of my reloads.
drumcorpschamp
Member
Wideglide,
Your Redding dies will probably work well for you. If you can load straight, consistent ammo with them, you're good to go. As other posters have said, a custom full length die w/neck bushing and seating die made to YOUR chamber are the way to go. None better, but you have options.
Two things you may consider purchasing:
This will tell you if you ammo is straight.
http://http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/measuring-tools/concentricity-gauges/sinclair-concentricity-gage-prod37479.aspx
And this makes VERY straight ammo for the price!
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/683388/lee-collet-neck-sizer-die-22-250-remington
Good shooting,
Jerry
Your Redding dies will probably work well for you. If you can load straight, consistent ammo with them, you're good to go. As other posters have said, a custom full length die w/neck bushing and seating die made to YOUR chamber are the way to go. None better, but you have options.
Two things you may consider purchasing:
This will tell you if you ammo is straight.
http://http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/measuring-tools/concentricity-gauges/sinclair-concentricity-gage-prod37479.aspx
And this makes VERY straight ammo for the price!
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/683388/lee-collet-neck-sizer-die-22-250-remington
Good shooting,
Jerry
Not long ago,I was at a Gulf Coast Regional match attended by a few Hall of Famers. I saw one HOF shooter using an old Wilson neck sizer and seater. He was shooting a light load that was working well that day. I took some photos. If I can locate em,I will post them.
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JRB
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Wideglide
A custom Fls die will give the same result every time, a correct resize for your chamber. The die dimentions are 'cast' from your specific chamber.
With a neck die you can achieve similar results, but dependant on your load and pressure. Your case will become too large to chamber after some firings.
If your die set is not matched to your chamber, to the thousanths!, than the fls die will give you an oversize squash on your sizeing, meaning a fire form is required to get back near optimun case dimentions.
A neck size die, mostly, does not touch the case, bar the neck, so the dimentions still hold true to your chamber, from your previous firing.
One advantage of your Redding die set you have, is that you can get your Smith to remake the case holder, or case guide, inside the die, with your reamer so it fits your chamber better.
About the Wilson die, I wonder whose reamer, recut his neck die??
Good Shooting
Jim
A custom Fls die will give the same result every time, a correct resize for your chamber. The die dimentions are 'cast' from your specific chamber.
With a neck die you can achieve similar results, but dependant on your load and pressure. Your case will become too large to chamber after some firings.
If your die set is not matched to your chamber, to the thousanths!, than the fls die will give you an oversize squash on your sizeing, meaning a fire form is required to get back near optimun case dimentions.
A neck size die, mostly, does not touch the case, bar the neck, so the dimentions still hold true to your chamber, from your previous firing.
One advantage of your Redding die set you have, is that you can get your Smith to remake the case holder, or case guide, inside the die, with your reamer so it fits your chamber better.
About the Wilson die, I wonder whose reamer, recut his neck die??
Good Shooting
Jim
OK....... you're asking on an accuracy forum 
........ "straight ammo" means NOTHING next to fit. You k'in freaking BEND your ammo into straight, but it won't shoot.
You need fit.
fit-fit-fit.... your loaded rounds must FIT your chamber tightly.
"straight" ain't innit
al
........ "straight ammo" means NOTHING next to fit. You k'in freaking BEND your ammo into straight, but it won't shoot.You need fit.
fit-fit-fit.... your loaded rounds must FIT your chamber tightly.
"straight" ain't innit
al
Take note...
Redding's custom dies are very different from their off the shelf dies; send Redding three fired cases and they'll make you a custom "S" type full length bushing die fitted to your chamber.
No, Redding are no different than any other off-the-shelf die, and certainly not "better" fit than (lee, rcbs, lyman)
finish, looks, YES/maybe..... fit, NO
al
Redding's custom dies are very different from their off the shelf dies; send Redding three fired cases and they'll make you a custom "S" type full length bushing die fitted to your chamber.
David Halblom
Flying Fish Fundamentals
While Virg is "correct"
a better option is to send those same 3 cases to Jim Carstensen and get a properly benchrest fit FL bushing die that MATCHES your chamber and sizes the cases properly at all points. And if I am not mistaken, Jim is less cost and DEFINITELY faster than Redding.
a better option is to send those same 3 cases to Jim Carstensen and get a properly benchrest fit FL bushing die that MATCHES your chamber and sizes the cases properly at all points. And if I am not mistaken, Jim is less cost and DEFINITELY faster than Redding.
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Wideglide
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Thanks David & Virg I will check into this.
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Wideglide
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I can't find a website. Here is a address & phone # & email.
I have not tried to contact him so don't know if the number's are right or not.
JLC Precision
13095 450th Ave
Bellevue, IA 52031
jlcprecision@netins.net
Shop phone# 563-689-6258
Cell:#563-212-2984
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abintx
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To be quite honest, the Savage 12 in 22-250 is not a competitive Benchrest rifle and never will be. It is what it is. A neck sizing die with or without a bushing cavity, and a body die, are about as incongruous to creating consistent brass as one can get. And where consistency, consistency and consistency in case external dimension and internal volume is the name of the game, the only die that provides that kind of benefit is a Full Length sizing die. Add a bushing cavity and a few bushings and it doesn't get any better.
Having said all that, have fun with what you already have. No need to buy additional dies at this point. You'll learn the limitations of your current equipment and reloading methods soon enough, especially if you enter NBRSA registered matches. You'll reach a plateau where no matter what you do, you won't improve. [How do I know this, I've been there and done that with the wrong rifle and wrong dies too. Virg can verify that statement.]
At some point, if you've got the budget and the urge to go further, take a big hard look at the 6PPC or the 30BR in a custom built rifle, by a top-name gunsmith who also competes, and wins in national matches. If you get to that point, you'll only need TWO dies, a custom full length sizing die with bushing capability, and a Wilson bullet seating die with a micrometer top.
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wideglide,
listen to what abintx above just said. There is no need in spending another 300.00 or so dollars on dies that wont fit your next factory gun in the same caliber, or anyone else's. You'll just be stuck with some useless expensive dies.
Go with what you have and learn how to set them up properly....this isnt as easy as it sounds but not to difficult.
Send me a PM & we can go over some opyions on how to get you help. I've only got one good hand right now so i cant type it all out but maybe video, pics, etc will work.
Hovis
listen to what abintx above just said. There is no need in spending another 300.00 or so dollars on dies that wont fit your next factory gun in the same caliber, or anyone else's. You'll just be stuck with some useless expensive dies.
Go with what you have and learn how to set them up properly....this isnt as easy as it sounds but not to difficult.
Send me a PM & we can go over some opyions on how to get you help. I've only got one good hand right now so i cant type it all out but maybe video, pics, etc will work.
Hovis
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Wideglide
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Thanks Abintx I understand what you are saying. The gun is doing ok for what I want. I'm not that good to be shooting in the NBRSA .
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.