Butch Lambert
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Has Leupold and others made changes to their tracking of their scopes? Can you crank them every few shots and expect them to go where you dial in?
Scope tracking
- Thread starter Butch Lambert
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I can only say this...
I purchased a 6X Leupold scope made for the Hunter class about two years ago from Bruno's. It replaced a "T" series Weaver 6X because of its longer eye relief. It has 1/8 minute clicks and has proved to be dead on with every change I make with the horizontal and vertical adjustments; unlike a couple of older Leupold's I've had in the past. It has bright optics and jumps exactly 1/8 inch for each adjustment. I don't know if the internals are any different than in past scopes, but maybe they have changed due to some of the complaints with the early "Competition" series. Makes sense to me since a whole new brand of scope emerged due to those complaints (March).
Virg
I purchased a 6X Leupold scope made for the Hunter class about two years ago from Bruno's. It replaced a "T" series Weaver 6X because of its longer eye relief. It has 1/8 minute clicks and has proved to be dead on with every change I make with the horizontal and vertical adjustments; unlike a couple of older Leupold's I've had in the past. It has bright optics and jumps exactly 1/8 inch for each adjustment. I don't know if the internals are any different than in past scopes, but maybe they have changed due to some of the complaints with the early "Competition" series. Makes sense to me since a whole new brand of scope emerged due to those complaints (March).
Virg
Butch Lambert
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Thanks Virg. What I'm asking for is the Service Rifle folks (AR-15) are allowed scopes to 4.5X now. They may click every shot if the wind and mirage dictates. They shoot no sighters and no time for a scope to settle down between clicking their scope. Would you buy a Leupold or what would you buy?
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CMaier
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Hmmmmm
What service rifle class ??
22 shots first 2 are sighters.
600 yd is marked every shot, so adj are available.
What service rifle class ??
22 shots first 2 are sighters.
600 yd is marked every shot, so adj are available.
NezRongero
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CMP rifle matches are no sighter matches, which we shoot at 200 standing and sitting rapid, 300 yards prone rapid, and 600 prone slow fire. The worst yardage is 300 rapid, you click for the wind and if the sights did not track you could shoot a nice group in the 9 or worst yet in the 8 ring. 600, you suck it up crank for the wind, if your sights did not track, you just lost some points you cant afford to lose and when you shoot in fishtailing from 1030 to 230 with 12 gusting to 20, your sights better track if you are a clicker. I was at a match a month or so ago, a shooter with an el cheapo scope got caught for a reversal, shot an 8 at 9, made 2 minutes correction fired hit the spotter, made another full value correction and shot, still an 8 at 9, and on the 3rd full value correction the scope and shot, finally the POI moved, but it moved for almost all the 6 minutes total to put into the scope, you can imagine where that shot ended on a 6 minute black. Others wait for their condition, which sometimes does not come back, thus you have to click. One saving grace our X ring is a generous 1 minute across the course, and the scoring rings are half minute apart..
Yes, in NRA you have 2 sighters.
BTW, there is only one service rifle class in either the CMP or NRA, M16 types, M14 Types and M1 Garand, all lumped into one class. Have to amend, NRA accepts the AR10 as a service rifle, whereas the CMP does not. Not talking about the CMP Games matches like the JC Garand Match which is only shot at short range.
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Butch Lambert
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jackie schmidt
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Butch, knowing what I do about scopes, I wouldn't trust any scope to do that every time. I feel safe in saying every one made has at least a bullet hole of "settling" after an adjustment.
The 50x March on my LV 6PPC took a dump last week end. Dang thing won't shoot a .350 group now. I finally took the Valdada off of my 30BR and shot three straight "ones".
I think I will figure out how the March comes apart and see how they are put together inside as compared to all the others I have taken apart. Maybe figure out something like Cecil did to the 36x Leupolds.
I got 5 good years of service out of it, so no complaints. I figure it's not worth the hassle to send it back to Japan to get it "fixed".
Bart will have me a new Valdada by the weekend.
The 50x March on my LV 6PPC took a dump last week end. Dang thing won't shoot a .350 group now. I finally took the Valdada off of my 30BR and shot three straight "ones".
I think I will figure out how the March comes apart and see how they are put together inside as compared to all the others I have taken apart. Maybe figure out something like Cecil did to the 36x Leupolds.
I got 5 good years of service out of it, so no complaints. I figure it's not worth the hassle to send it back to Japan to get it "fixed".
Bart will have me a new Valdada by the weekend.
James A. Kelbly
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Jackie
Good luck taking the March apart, several scope companies tried and end up with pieces. All the lenses are glued in and takes special machine to remove lenses over a 24 hour period. There is NO ONE including new March distributor that can remove the lenses in the March scopes that I have seen.
You got five good years out of March with no problems and you do not think sending it back to be repaired is worth 60.00 dollars shipping, I find that hard to believe you would not do it. I am sure that other scope costs more than 60.00 to buy.
Jim
Good luck taking the March apart, several scope companies tried and end up with pieces. All the lenses are glued in and takes special machine to remove lenses over a 24 hour period. There is NO ONE including new March distributor that can remove the lenses in the March scopes that I have seen.
You got five good years out of March with no problems and you do not think sending it back to be repaired is worth 60.00 dollars shipping, I find that hard to believe you would not do it. I am sure that other scope costs more than 60.00 to buy.
Jim
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I sent my March Scope back to Japan just last year. The only hassle was driving two miles to the Post Office. The round trip shipping ,from my zip code, was around $80.00. The turn around time was about two weeks.
Jackie, if you’re going to “bone yard” that old 50X March scope, consider selling it to me ,for the cost of shipping it back to Japan.
Hope you enjoy your new valdada. They got a good review.
Glenn
I sent my March Scope back to Japan just last year. The only hassle was driving two miles to the Post Office. The round trip shipping ,from my zip code, was around $80.00. The turn around time was about two weeks.
Jackie, if you’re going to “bone yard” that old 50X March scope, consider selling it to me ,for the cost of shipping it back to Japan.
Hope you enjoy your new valdada. They got a good review.
Glenn
jackie schmidt
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Not complaining at all Jim. It has thousands and thousands of rounds under it. Won a lot of matches.
It just won't hold POI anymore. It took me a while to figure that out. But every piece of machinery has a lifespan. This one, in my opinion, simply died of old age.
I put two different scopes on my LV to confirm this, one of my frozen 36 Leupolds, and a new Valdada off my 30BR. That in it's self took all afternoon.
If anybody wants to give me $500 for it, then spend a couple of hundred at March to have it refurbished, I will do that. Someone could have a $2000 scope for 1/3 that.
Otherwise, I will tear into it, just to satisfy my own curiosity, or just toss it in the corner and forget about it.
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CMaier
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jackie, i'll pay for it
you send it back..i'll pay the
fees, then ship to me when its here.
i put in all my money up front
you send it back..i'll pay the
fees, then ship to me when its here.
i put in all my money up front
If you're allowed variables consider the Leupold 4.5X14 LRT. It's small, clear, and very reliable. We've been using them for rimfire sporter class and they work quite well. Send them back for an inexpensive reticle change.
NezRongero
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jackie schmidt
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I'm going to tear it apart. I have always been curious how March's design is different from the multitude of others I have taken apart.
I unscrewed the Ocular Lens about an hour ago. I have to make some spanner wrenches to get the carrier off.
The objective lens does seem to be mounted in a very fine thread with some type of locking compound to secure it. That might be how they get the focal plain exact.
Lee Martin
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Jackie....any chance we could see some photos of the March internals?
Thanks,
-Lee
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Thanks,
-Lee
www.singleactions.com
jackie schmidt
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Sure.
I hit a snag. Once you get down to the reticle cage, it appears to be a entire self contained Assy, screwed into the back of the Tube as a separate unit.
I remember about 5 years ago, at The Blubonnet, a shooter dropped a rifle with a 50x march mounted. The scope almost broke in two at that spot and appeared to be screwed in the body with a very fine thread. There is a good possibility that there is some type of locking compound that keeps that threaded joint tight.
I will study it some more before I start heating and beating on it.:eek
Peering down in, I can see the reactor tube, but not the gimble mount. It must be mounted forward, opposite of what Leupolds are. This means the objective lens will have to be removed to access the gimble joint.
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Woh
We wait with bated breath. Thanks Jackie for sacrificing your scope for the curious folk...virg.
We wait with bated breath. Thanks Jackie for sacrificing your scope for the curious folk...virg.
way above my pay grade but Eric Stanton told me they're all epoxied together. I understood every joint and every lens.
This DOES NOT mean I heard correctly
Boyd Allen
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Some years ago, I saw an illustration of the internal workings of the first fixed power March scopes. It seems to have been taken down from their web site some time ago. The thing that looked odd to me in the design was that although the erector pivot was to the rear of the rear of the turrets, that it was abnormally close coupled. The pivot(?) looked to be only 2 1/2" back of the turret assembly, the erector tube and pivot appeared to be made of brass. This may only be an inaccurate memory, because it goes back several years.