Scope and Bore not parallel
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Jerry Adams
Just a thought, are the edges of the mirror covered? Maybe if they aren't you'd get more light in. Maybe a piece of mirror tile would work better. I've got a Leupold comp 45X I'm going to be mounting soon and will try this.
The Burris Signature Zee Rings come with inserts that have NO offset, to achieve any advantage with regard to aligning the scope to the bore you would need to use the inserts included in the "insert kit". Instructions for the selection of the proper insets to correct your specific problem are included with the kit.
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CMaier
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i have SIX packages in my bin...all have two full sets of inserts.
the 30mm come with "0"'s and "10"'s...maybe the 1" come with one set...."0"'s...maybe
the 30mm come with "0"'s and "10"'s...maybe the 1" come with one set...."0"'s...maybe
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Carl Darnell
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I had the same issue with a Remington 1917 receiver a friend modified for 300 H&H. When he removed the rear sight and dressed the receiver down it didn't match the front of the receiver. When I mounted a picitinny rail on the receiver the rail was off to the left about .012". I recut the radius on the bottom of the rail but was still off about .006" and I didn't want to set up and recut the rail. I bought a set of Millet adjustable rings and dialed the scope and barrel in on my mill to as close to .000" as I could get. The scope is still a little off to the left and I will have to do the finial adjustments at the range.
I intend to do some 1000 yd competition with the rifle as well as some long range hunting out West so I want the windage crosshair to be as near zero as possible. To be honest I don't think any receiver is exactly the same front to rear unless it's machined from a solid bar. If it's forged it will be off some. The rifle was a gift so I had to make it work for my satisfaction as well as my friend.
I intend to do some 1000 yd competition with the rifle as well as some long range hunting out West so I want the windage crosshair to be as near zero as possible. To be honest I don't think any receiver is exactly the same front to rear unless it's machined from a solid bar. If it's forged it will be off some. The rifle was a gift so I had to make it work for my satisfaction as well as my friend.
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Yep, you are correct.
Dick Grosbier
Club Coordinator
When push comes to shove this is not really a very big deal, ideally you want the scope centered in its range of travel. But as a practical matter I have never in 35 years of BR shooting used more than about 2 MOA of windage adjustments. But if you really want it centered the Burris Rings are your best. and least expensive. route IMO.
Dick
Bill Wynne
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I just now read this thread and I tried this on the wall mirror in the bath in my office. I took a BSA Sweet 22 2-7x and placed the objective end flat on the mirror. The scope was set at 2x and the wall light above the mirror was on. I looked through the scope and there were two sets of crosshairs, clear as a bell. The main one was more definite and the other could be described as a reflected image. I turned the power up to 7x and the results were the same.
It took longer to write this then it did to preform the operation. Now I am going to put this on a rifle and see how far I have to move the windage.
Concho Bill
Well open my door and come in this house!
I just now read this thread and I tried this on the wall mirror in the bath in my office. I took a BSA Sweet 22 2-7x and placed the objective end flat on the mirror. The scope was set at 2x and the wall light above the mirror was on. I looked through the scope and there were two sets of crosshairs, clear as a bell. The main one was more definite and the other could be described as a reflected image. I turned the power up to 7x and the results were the same.
It took longer to write this then it did to preform the operation. Now I am going to put this on a rifle and see how far I have to move the windage.
Concho Bill
Dick, You are talking point blank……. You can run out of windage and have to hold the next target at 1000. If the scope is centered just count clicks and bring it back half way. Maybe the barrel needs indexed???… jim
Dick Grosbier
Club Coordinator
Good point Jim, he never said long range and did not post in the 600/1000 forum so I just jumped to an unsupported conclusion.
Wolfdawg6422
New member
I always thought that you loosened the 3 small allen screws at the top edge of the turret, spin to align the 'zero's', and viola! scope is zeroed!!!
Wolfdawg
Wolfdawg
Windage Adjustable Rings
If you want, I have a set of 1" windage adjustable rings for Weaver style mounts, that I am no longer using I would send you to try. The windage adjustable rings have screws on both sides, where they connect to the base, allowing them to be adjusted independently from side to side. I have used similar rings on several rifles. I was taught to first count clicks from side to side to center the crosshairs within the scope. Then, assuming the crosshairs are centered, the front and rear windage adjustable rings are alternately moved in opposite directions in very small increments (to avoid stress on the scope tube) until the view of the crosshairs through the scope boresights to dead center. What you are doing with these rings is to rotate the entire scope side to side, to align it with the bore.
If you want, I have a set of 1" windage adjustable rings for Weaver style mounts, that I am no longer using I would send you to try. The windage adjustable rings have screws on both sides, where they connect to the base, allowing them to be adjusted independently from side to side. I have used similar rings on several rifles. I was taught to first count clicks from side to side to center the crosshairs within the scope. Then, assuming the crosshairs are centered, the front and rear windage adjustable rings are alternately moved in opposite directions in very small increments (to avoid stress on the scope tube) until the view of the crosshairs through the scope boresights to dead center. What you are doing with these rings is to rotate the entire scope side to side, to align it with the bore.
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keithherrington
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Sorry if already covered
Are you sure the base was milled true? David Sams, a gunsmith with a lot of experience, states that on his tactical or competition rifle builds he never trusts commercial rails since so many he has tried have been milled askew. He mills his own to ensure alignment.
Keith
Are you sure the base was milled true? David Sams, a gunsmith with a lot of experience, states that on his tactical or competition rifle builds he never trusts commercial rails since so many he has tried have been milled askew. He mills his own to ensure alignment.
Keith
You could get a new barrel but windage adjustable rings would be a lot less expensive. While confessing that I am not an experienced competition shooter, I have used such rings on several rifles and have come to appreciate how they center the scope, giving me full range left and right for windage. Once set, I can even change scopes, without needing to reset the rings, once they are aligned with the bore.
philipbrousseau
Member
Glenn, when i do this with my vari x hunting scopes i have to turn the power down low or i cant see the two crosshairs.
I realized on my own that I wanted to get the crosshairs in the middle of the scope tube, but I did not figure out the mirror trick.
I would put the scope in a rifle with only the bottom halves of the rings installed. Then I would rotate the scope while looking through. I would adjust the elevation and windage until the cross hair center stayed on one point in the background.
That is at least a 5 minute operation.
Once I read about the mirror trick a couple years ago, I don't do it that way anymore. The mirror can be done in a minute. Sometimes I shine a flashlight in from the side.
Now that I am retired from engineering, my goal is to keep making scope mounts in the home shop.
Here is 12 second video of my boresighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJXO8kaXfJI
If you want to see how I modified the Leupold zero point, that is a 32 minute video. It would make you sleepy.
I would put the scope in a rifle with only the bottom halves of the rings installed. Then I would rotate the scope while looking through. I would adjust the elevation and windage until the cross hair center stayed on one point in the background.
That is at least a 5 minute operation.
Once I read about the mirror trick a couple years ago, I don't do it that way anymore. The mirror can be done in a minute. Sometimes I shine a flashlight in from the side.
Now that I am retired from engineering, my goal is to keep making scope mounts in the home shop.
Here is 12 second video of my boresighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJXO8kaXfJI
If you want to see how I modified the Leupold zero point, that is a 32 minute video. It would make you sleepy.
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4 Liberty
Guest
With all that expensive hardware on board, the problem is likely the scope. I'd send the it back to the manufacturer for adjustment. Even with $$$$ scopes there is no guarantee that the assembler did everything perfectly.
The most expensive scope and mounting hardware on earth will usually end up less than straight when mounted on a factory Remington. The OP's experience is very common and the scope is about the least likely suspect (Although nothing is impossible I guess).
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Jonnyh
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Sounds like you haven't adjusted the eye bell.
That is probably it. Many people do not realize that you first need to get the crosshairs in focus before adjusting anything else. Try putting your scope at maximum magnification and focused at infinity, looking at some kind of blank background. Then screw the rear lens in and out to find where the crosshairs are at the sharpest possible focus. Once you have done that, the crosshairs should be in sharp focus at any distance and any magnification. Then you should lock the crosshair's focus with the locking ring. If it is not possible to get sharply focused crosshairs at any distance and magnification with this procedure, your scope needs repair, or it is a poor quality scope.
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