Rem 700 vs Ruger 77 Action for build

I wonder how many Remingtons you see at a benchrest match? Don't get me wrong here, I like Remingtons and I have quite a few, both factory stock and some built with all the "Bell & Whistles." I have a few Rugers, mostly VT's. One is one of those first .22 PPC VT's with a Shilen barrel on it and it shoots pretty darn good. Got the trigger at 18oz or so, bedded it(that was a bugger), but with match bullets it groups pretty darn good. It groups as good if not better than a lot of the Remington ones I had done. Ok, jump my butt.

Tom
 
tlo said:
I wonder how many Remingtons you see at a benchrest match?

Tom
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Actually, quite a few (at least in the score game). Perusing through recent ('09) IBS equipment lists on some major matches, you will find Remington a pretty common action ....especially in the Hunter and Varmint Hunter class.
Long -time competitors like Long, Pastorella, Harren, and Bunker, to name a few continue to win with the lowly Remington .....against custom actions yet.
Looking at 600 yd matches the Remington is even more prevalent.

In my search, I was not able to find a single Ruger.
In competition it's all about the agg.........you must shoot well throughout the entire day.....no do-overs and no picking your best target......they ALL count after the W/U.
 
I shoot a Ruger 77v in competion

The thing I lack is the ability to shoot. Currently it has a used barrel, maker unknown, chambered in a 6mm BR Norma. Made my own "Harmonic Tuner" Love to shoot more, but I work and have kids. Can't spend the time like all the retirees out there. Also, when I come in at a few point behind $2500-3500 guns, who having more fun! I also use a Burris 8-32x. The sham of it all.

Love to take it to the Super shoot, but their are to many complainers.
 
Why don't we have a Junk class.

Put something together that no one in their right mind would shoot. Say a .22 Savage Hi-power. Any scope will work. Shoot what ever bullets you want. That's shooting.
 
M.d.

I kinda like that. Sorta on the same level as the old "bomber class" at the local Dirt Track. If you crashed it, there was always a wrecker on hand to just take it to the junk yard so you didn't have to haul it home.:D.......jackie
 
M.D.Spencer said:
Put something together that no one in their right mind would shoot. Say a .22 Savage Hi-power. Any scope will work. Shoot what ever bullets you want. That's shooting.
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There is!
But it's in USBR rimfire competition. You could go to a match with $200.00 in your pocket, claim a rifle shooting in the "plinker" class, mount your scope and shoot the next relay with it.
Maybe the NBRSA/IBS needs a class like that?

PS.
Burris 8-32
This forum had me so confused about buying a new comp scope a few years ago that I used my Burris 8-32 (on my 6ppc panda rifle) in a registered match. :)
 
Missloumudcat:

I noticed your post has appeared for quite some time, and without reading through all responses, I will offer following:

Integral recoil lug and scope mounts, I feel, makes the Ruger 77 a good choice to build on, although there is more aftermarket parts available for Remington 700's to really "trick" one of those out.

There are alot of built up Remington 700's out there. Why not have something different that could shoot as well if not maybe better.

With the way it seems the economy is right now, it wouldn't make a difference whether you had a 700 of a 77, if would ever want to sell it, you most likely would not come close to recovering a fraction of original investment.

With your post being as old, you may have built eith one or the other by now.

Cob
 
P Corncob Bob said:
"Why not have something different that could shoot as well if not maybe better."
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Why don't you pay to build one Cob before telling others that it'll "shoot as well, maybe better."

A lot of people spend real money based on information found on this site.

Let's keep the information accurate and based on reality not speculation..... :)

al
 
Sometimes Rugers Can Win

Hi, while I would agree with the pro Rem700 (at least the Rem design) argument, there can be exceptions. A few years ago the Federal Cup Fly Shoot in Canberra,which for those who haven't heard of it is a 500 Metre (550yd) shoot with a small fly in the 10 ring, shooters can NOT use a spotting scope and are only allowed 3 sighters, ( at a steel whitewashed plate) per target. This event brings out all the usual suspects ie tactical rifles, 1000yd heavy's etc, but this particular year it was won by a Ruger77, smithed by a "regular" ie NOT specialist target smith. I don't recall weather it was a .308 or a .300 win mag, AND it was a Bullpup configuration with an owner made carved stock, pretty weird, but the point is it shot like crazy.
They don't win often but it can happen.
Regards Rob
 
missloumudcat said:
Most of my rifles are built off Rem 700. I just love the Ruger 77 action though. Are these good, same, or worse in terms of a custom rig for hunting I want to build?

Thanks
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I am as big a 700 fan as anyone and my preference for a build using a "factory" action would be a 700 over a Ruger... but... for hunting - sub 1/2 minute of angle is not a requirement and I see no reason why a Ruger 77 could not be built into a sub m.o.a. hunting rifle... I have seen many.
 
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Originally Posted by P Corncob Bob:

"Why not have something different that could shoot as well if not maybe better."

Originally Replied to by Alinwa:

Why don't you pay to build one Cob before telling others that it'll "shoot as well, maybe better."

A lot of people spend real money based on information found on this site.

Let's keep the information accurate and based on reality not speculation.....

Sir:

I have paid real money to have a tuned Ruger 77V built, and a tuned Remington 700 built by same well known gunsmith, and own them both at this time.

Reality is both rifles shoot about equal, and better than these old eyes and body can drive them.

My investment in the Ruger 77V was lower than my investment in the Remington 700.

With this said, my statement was based on reality not speculation, and if I am convincing people to spend real money needlessly, I am not seeing it.

No Holy War, Please.

Always in Highest Regards.

Old Cob
 
P Corncob Bob said:
Originally Posted by P Corncob Bob:

"Why not have something different that could shoot as well if not maybe better."

Originally Replied to by Alinwa:

Why don't you pay to build one Cob before telling others that it'll "shoot as well, maybe better."

A lot of people spend real money based on information found on this site.

Let's keep the information accurate and based on reality not speculation.....

Sir:

I have paid real money to have a tuned Ruger 77V built, and a tuned Remington 700 built by same well known gunsmith, and own them both at this time.

Reality is both rifles shoot about equal, and better than these old eyes and body can drive them.

My investment in the Ruger 77V was lower than my investment in the Remington 700.

With this said, my statement was based on reality not speculation, and if I am convincing people to spend real money needlessly, I am not seeing it.

No Holy War, Please.

Always in Highest Regards.

Old Cob
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Well P Corncob Bob I truly do appreciate an informative answer :) And since you HAVE spent the money I'll apologize for my knee-jerk reaction. I can't agree that my experience matches yours but,

I apologize.

I furthermore will not agree that a Ruger M77 is an equal investment to a Rem 700. If your 700 only shoots as well as a Ruger 77 then I submit that your 700 is flawed. An honest 1/4" Remington may be "expected" from a good build using a good cartridge while an honest quartersnatcher Ruger 77 is indeed a rare fluke of circumstance. Were the bet available I'd bet 20:1 odds against a Ruger 77 any day of the week.

Now if one owns a .270 in a reworked 700 and a 6BR in a reworked M77 then yeahh...... they'll probably shoot similar! :)

LOL

al
 
I like this thread. My dad bought me a used M77R .22-250 when I was 12 (24 years ago). It is a 1976 vintage, S/N 72-89xxx, although not the Liberty Edition. At 19 I used to load it down with 35.7 gr of H-380 pushing a Hornady 55 gr SXSP bullet. The previous owner didn't take the best care of it, and he had to have it recrowned. 6 years ago I decided to send it Pac-Nor in Brookings, and they installed a 24", 3-groove, 1:12 twist, #5 sporter contour, Super-Match Grade Stainless Steel barrel chambered in .22-250. I also had them pillar bed glass the stock.

I've only shot factory ammo through it, which is a shame. Maybe 100 to 200 rounds though. The best I've been able to get it to shoot is with Hornady Varmint Express 55 gr V-MAX non-moly. 1/2 MOA groups, with the occasional flier, although that is probably because I don't have a good rest setup. I've decided it's time to start handloading again.

What suggestions do folks have to get the best out of their M77 tang safety rifles?

Thanks.


Roy
 
Roy:

You shooting 1/2 groups with factory ammo indicates to me your rifle is capable, especially with barrel and stock work done previously.

I am very happy replacing factory hammer with a Rifle Basix. As I recall an investment of around $50.00 and 15 minutes.

Spending more for a complete trigger is not needed, in my humble opinion.

Take Care.

Old Cob
 
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