Related to the latest Stopped Muzzle posts...

frey said - I believe the "dimple" philosophy was intended to help "pin" the case in the chamber just before ignition to reduce the possible vibration of the heavier strike.

I think what Calfee was actually trying to do with the pre-dimple was to create a shape under the pin that acted like the big dimple in Federal cases. Comparing the size of the two dimples, and considering how burning proceeds across the priming compound shape, you would have to come to the conclusion that Calfee is a little in error with this idea. That's not say his shape is wrong, he's just wrong in his analysis of what's happening.

If you compare the actual shape of the priming compound in rim fire and center fire primers, and then study how burning has to travel through these different shapes, you will see why it is more difficult to get good ignition in a rim fire as compared to a center fire. This difference in "burn time" also explains the difference in uniformity between large and small center fire primers.

We know that it is energy, rather than momentum, of the pin strike that determines how well ignition will occur. Assuming that you can't have too much energy (forgetting vibration for the moment), then it makes some sense to add weight to pins, as long as, at the same time, you also increase the spring load. Probably Calfee's approach (I guess this is his approach!) of adding weight and then testing to determine if accuracy is better, is a good approach. He is simply testing to determine what combination of energy, vibration, and lock time is best for the different shooters; position and bench rest. How he describes what he is doing is sort of odd but I guess we are all "kinda odd".

Except this is not why the dimple was there to begin with. The Federal was somewhat of a "copy" of the Russian olymp. Back then the big issue was even dispersion of the priming material. The dimple was thought to help equally disperse the priming compound.
P.S. Cec, I'd bet you the only one guessing here is you. Think there's a chance maybe this isn't actually being done real time? I'll bet you a shiney new nickel how this turns out.
 
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Tim said, Except this is not why the dimple was there to begin with.
You may be right, it's always hard to tell what was in people's mind when they invent something. The dimple may have been intended to help during manufacturing as well as during firing. However I've seen opinions of others that improved powder burn was the reason the Russians put the dimple in their case. Also, this in the reason it was applied in U. S. patent 5490463.

Tim also said, Think there's a chance maybe this isn't actually being done real time? I'll bet you a shiney new nickel how this turns out.
Not sure what you mean by "this" Are you saying you can predict how what Calfee is doing will turn out?
 
Cecil, the powder burn issue was in part related to the fact that priming compounds back then were often applied wet and unevenly dispersed in the case. Being curious I had occasion to talk to one of the Federal engineers back then who took time to talk to me. This was also about the same time that Billy Brawand was doing a lot of work making BR class jacketed bullets for the .22 but had all the rules changed for "mass produced" ammo.
He was able to score a quantity of primed cases for his work and got quite an education about them.
 
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