Perfect Pratice?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft

Rob, looks like you made another friend.

Everyone one needs to go back and look at all of Con Cross's previous postings to see the valuable information that he shares with everyone.

God Bless, Pierre Lucas
 
Carbon

Greg

Hawkeye is on the way, but tried another solvent and the black ran out of the barrel. Will use the scope and keep an eye on things with the 7mm. See you at Nats.

Con

Apparently you have no friends so you never felt compelled to stand up for them. Again, you fail to add any positive input to this thread. As for the spelling errors, I guess I find it humorous when someone attempts to belittle another and can't get it right (am ROFL as I see your most recent display). BTW, MR Con Cross, everyone here knows who I am as I am easily identified by my handle. Furthermore, I find your attitude and comments unbecoming of a sportsman. To wit, I am reminded of an old farm saying...."never wrestle with a pig in the mud, you only get dirty and the pig enjoys it". I'll leave it to you to figure out your role in the preceding. :D
 
Pierre

You know me Pierre, all about making friends. :D

I just figure that Charles probably has bigger battles to tend with in his life that I would step in on this. Just the way I am I guess. Oh well c'est la vie. See you and JP in the coming weeks. Have a safe journey.

Rob
 
Actually Rob, when someone enjoys vitriol too much, I just put 'em on my ignore list. That way, if you don't quote them, I don't know what they say. I did check Con Cross's other posts & found nothing that interested me, so I figure I'll not miss anything I wanted to know. While I'm a big fan of Fidelity's CONTRA fund, Mr. Cross seems to be a different kind of contrarian -- the kind with no profit.

But thanks for letting go the second barrel,

Charles
 
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Charles your wit never ceases to get me laughing. Hopefully I'll make NC this weekend and get a chance to chat with you a bit. Sure hope the winds down there are kinder then what they have been up here lately. However, a bad day of shooting with some friends beats a good day of working.

Take care
Rob
 
Ok....here is where everybody starts yelling at me.....so first off give me your best shot....


That being said, you seem intresated in the proper EQUIPMENT more than wind reading skills.....GOOD FOR YOU. I assume, since you own yor own range, that shooting whenever you want is no problem. Here is what I have done. I too, just started compeating this spring. But what I have been working on for years is bench technique. I learned to shoot with what I have. So....get the best equipment you can find. What's that??? Look at the equipment that the guy who shot the 2.xx inch group with is using. Talk to fellow SUCSESSFULL shooters on what they use.....bags, dies, brass, hair gel....everything.

Now....find compleatly benign conditions .....you know... 0.0 wind.....no mirage....and shoot out a couple of more BBL's. For me, that was at 2 AM. I put a spotlight next to the target and had a little backlight so I can see the crosshairs, and shot. Learn to shoot your new stuff. Free recoil...hard hold, soft hold, front and rear bag placement, breathing, trigger controle , every little detail. Take wind OUT of the picture and concentrate on "load's and hold's"!!! I had to go through a hole new learnig curve when I got my first true bench gun this spring. Learn to shoot FAST. That is my thing, and I am getting faster each match. I don't have the time (or BBL life ) to practice in the summer during match season.

Just as important is THIS website. The knowlage base here is unbeliveable. Ask lots of questions. Even DUMB questions get a courtious responce (most of the time). You WILL get many different and conflicting answers. You choose which is best.

Also....Find a GREAT GUNSMITH. I have herd guys saying that there is really no big secret to building a gun. That may be true...but there IS a secret to building a WINNING GUN. Don't ask me what, but there is.

If you want to learn the wind....SHOOT F CLASS.

JUST MY .02 WORTH
TOD

PS. can I assum by your HANDLE that you are/were an F16 pilot?

Just wondering.
 
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Rob Ashcraft. said:
MR Con Cross, everyone here knows who I am as I am easily identified by my handle. Furthermore, I find your attitude and comments unbecoming of a sportsman. To wit, I am reminded of an old farm saying...."never wrestle with a pig in the mud, you only get dirty and the pig enjoys it". I'll leave it to you to figure out your role in the preceding. :D
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Mr. Rob Ashcraft, please feel welcome on your and only me, myself and I soapbox.

Mr. Rob. Ashcraft, please tell us, why do you feel the need to use this sort of graphical explanations on this 1K forum?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, please explain to us in your own words what do you think it's?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, do you think it may be your irritable attitude, or do you think the stretch SR 541 in Ohio and the Ford Escort may have something to do with it?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, do you believe that in the war the sniper actually has to shoot the enemy there and then and his life depends 100% on his own translation of condition reading skills?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, would you believe that the sniper have'd learned the skills somewhere else, or do you think that he was there practicing 5 days prior?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, please at least try to guess how many flags the snipers have and use in the war field?

Con
 
Lynn said:
FalconPilot
despite what you are hearing learn to read the wind.Anyone can buy a good shooting gun but if you can't read the wind you'll only do well in perfect conditions.
Our range only has great conditions a couple times a year but we shoot all year.
We have a shooter at our range who re-set 19 national records last year and he reads the wind better than anybody.
Lynn
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Lynn....Yes and no. Yes , wind reading skills are very important. But...wind reading takes time during a string. Yes, you do need to be aware af the conditions......but I'll bet way more conditions have been overcome by SPEED than conditions been overcome by sitting there and PICKING! I have had a little sucsess reading the wind, but far more by running my string. Yes, I do spend the six min sighter period watching the flags and seeing what the affect is on target. I pop two off in a hurry right away to see where I'm at and make an adjustment to center up, and spend the next six min waiting for a condition to change and see what happened on target. I see a change, I send one down to see what affect the change had on target. I DO NOT CHANGE MY SCOPE. I will drop two more down range the last couple of seconds to make my final scope settings. I also will pop one off if the sun goes behind a cloud, or visa-vesa. When the record target comes up......it's off ot the races!!!! Now, if there is a problem in the pits, and the targets don't come up, and we need to wait, I will check the conditions before I start my string. If nothing bad happed during the delay...off to the races!!

Also....the best gun it the hands of the best wind reader on the planet is TOAST if he has bad bench technique! You need to learn to shoot! PERIOD. The best way I have found to do that is to shoot W/O wind.

This is just MY way....it may not work for anyone with MORE than the 50% of my brain that I am able to use....IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN!!!!
 
Lynn,

I am not saying that it doesn't or won't happen....I'm saying speed shooters win more often than pickers. Big swing's can happen, and the best guys can and will pick it up and adjust.
 
I'll second that Tod,I don't ever remember seeing a who shooter stop and wait during his record rounds come out on top.I'm not saying it can't happen,but the odds are in the favor of a speed shooter.I will tell you that I will feel out the sighter period to find the values of diff. conditions and if something changes I may hold a little but never out of the 10 ring.If the answer is to be given to this post it is practice shooting the disipline you will be competing in if its BR then do it ,if it is F-class or high power do it that way..Remember there are different targets, scoring,amount of shots during record string in each disipline so goals and levels of accuracy can be quite different.
 
Lynn,...Ok. I will agree with 95% of what you say...if you will admit to me that the guy with 19 records also has better bag and bench technique than 90% + of the shoters out there. He has to, because I will bet that he didn't set ALL of those records when the conditions sucked!!!

Tod
 
Lynn,

I don't get out much (as is probably very obvious from my hillbilly post's). I didn't even know they use those kinds of rest's in the long rang game. I know what I paid for my setup.....they must have to spend tens-of-dollars for the GOOD stuff!! :D :D :D :D
 
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Maybe on some ranges conditions can be read to benefit the shooter. Some ranges I don't think anyone can read reliably. The winners of the aggregates at my home club will normally be the fast shooters and I expect this is the case elsewhere as well. If you are really fast there is little time for trying to read conditions. Sometimes shooters can get on a roll and it seems everything goes their way. I have seen it many times and the next year the wheels fall off , the shooter has exactly the same equipment and tries his best to duplicate the superb results from the year before but for whatever reason it does not happen.

Some of the shooters from the west need to come east sometime and shoot at Williamsport PA or Hawks Ridge in NC to get a feel for conditions that are seemingly unreadable.

Falconpilot - One suggestion, if you have what you believe to be a superb barrel, don't burn it up shooting practice. The true hummers only come along every so often. Confidence counts for something and this is where the practice can really pay off. If you have good equipment, good technique, good practice targets then you will enter matches believing you can win.
 
Look at it this way

Look at the bright side Lynn....she's taller then she is wide! :D

Later
Rob
 
Lynn said:
Joel
I would love to shoot at Williamsport and will make the trek someday.We had a hugely popular shooter out here who started many of the longrange shooting disciplines visit Hawks Ridge.He was a machine gunner and when I asked him how it was he told me he drove 3,000 miles fired 5 shots and drove 3,000 miles back home.With gas at $4.35 a gallon out here right now and a full sized truck getting 15 mpg over those 6,000 miles plus a week off from work you have to really want it badly to spend that kind of money on 15 shots.
Just going to Byers,Colorado will be 22 hours of straight driving time one way.
Our state is only 4 hours wide but its 14 hours long at full throttle.
Lynn
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You certainly really have to love it as well as being able to afford it. I made the trip to Byers in 2000, I won the 2 gun 12 target high score so I was pleased. I flew out and someone else trucked my gear. That is just too far to go via the highway for me. In NBRSA you get to shoot a bit more than we do in IBS anyway.
 
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Lynn said:
I'm still going to shoot Williamsport as a picker.
Lynn
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Ya might better take a few practice targets at this before spending match money on it here. :D:D Methinks you might just become another east coast runner.

If you think your buddy was disappointed to drive all that way to Hawks Ridge ta get crushed for 5 shots while runnin em, I bet you'll feel a every bit as bad getting caught in a "bad relay" here, and then... trying to pick through it! All I can say is, bring reloading equip and spend a week. ;)
 
Lynn, 40 seconds is not exactly what I call "pick'n". Going up to 1 minute even isnt' all that much slower. With a light gun, that's about as fast as most can go. With a heavy gun, yes, that's slower, but not bad.

What is typical Williamsport weather for this time of the year?
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Conditions this time of year are usually as good as they get. By no means as good as they get at some other places. Early spring and late fall are usually horrible. It's really more of a survival deal than anything then. All ranges have good and bad days, and good and bad times of day. Last weekend here was really pretty nice most of the time, though scoring on Saturday was tough all day long, and Sunday was as nice as it's ever been for 8 relays. Unfortunately, I wasn't in those 8.

It's not unusual here to see every flag on the range going a different direction. That is no exaggeration. There's nothing to see, and you're at the mercy of the wind. The best policy is to have a gun that shoots well in switching wind. Mirage is not even a concern here, or at least I don't think so.

Stop in for the World Open sometime. If there's a shoot in the country worth traveling for, that's the one. If you do anything, and I mean anything at all, you're leaving with something. The prizes are worth the trip.

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On the subject of "perfect practice", I'd say one of the most important things a person can do is keep good records, so as to not make the same mistake over and over... and over...
 
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