Perfect Pratice?

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falconpilot

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This question is for all you Top Dogs out there....Thanks to my job(corporate pilot), I'm have lots of time off. Second, I have a 1000 yard range on my property which I can shoot on at any time. I know that these two things gives me a huge advantage, and I shoot alot, but I want to pratice perfect. How do you guys pratice?? What steps/prodecures do you guys go thur when praticing?

I'm shooting custom/top of the line rifles, and very fimaliar with reloading and reload all my rounds...

Thanks

Jim
 
Practice

Look at match results and see whats winning.........Work on your tune and see if you can shoot equal or smaller groups.
 
don't shoot

that far but would guess a camera or some such,so you can see whats happening would help.:confused:
 
get a good shootin buddy

I like to shoot with a knowledgebal shooter out at the target or near enuff he can spot with a spotting scope and relay the info back with a radio ,,,immediately!!!!!,,,then you can tell if you used the right hold for the condition.....naturally take turns....even if you are not shooting ..you can learn from his hold off's also....Roger
 
If the mechanical parts are fine (rifle, brass, bullets, bench technique, etc.), and your load is tuned for vertical at the distance, there is no "perfect" practice. Learning to read the conditions on your range will not likely translate to learning to read the conditions on ranges with different terrain. That's why there is a home field advantage at most matches.
 
Charles E said:
Learning to read the conditions on your range will not likely translate to learning to read the conditions on ranges with different terrain. That's why there is a home field advantage at most matches.
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Mr. Charles E, what exactly it's what makes you to say that? One would like to believe, that once Mr. Jim will learn how to read the conditions he should be able to use his skills and knowledge elsewhere.

Gentleman, could you agree, that Mr. Jim being a corporate pilot with plenty of free time and own 1K range may also have some other useful skills up his sleeve?

Con
 
Thanks for the responce guys...I'd really like to be able to shoot with a "top Gun" as I could learn alot about the basic bench setup, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a novice at this, as I regularly shoot 5-8" groups at 1000(light and heavy class) yards. With my resources, I just want to get better, and have no reason not too if I'm able to continue to learn the "ropes" from the veterans. Reading the wind/mirage is a continueous learning process that I'm not sure can every be mastered. I witnessed a 2.5"/50 1000 yard group in a match several weekend ago's...That's what I shooting for....

I'm in the middle of setting up a close circuit camera for immediate feedback...I think that key here is learn from the wind and mirage that you read at ths shot, and not ending up chasing the spotter..I caught myself chasing the spotter while shooting F-Class, while in IBS we can still hold it together with a group if we're out on score a little.

My problems are the basic's like: finding the right rear bag, right feel on how much sand for the front bag to help reduce verticals, gun alignment, etc.

Thanks again

Jim
 
Con Cross said:
Mr. Charles E, what exactly it's what makes you to say that? One would like to believe, that once Mr. Jim will learn how to read the conditions he should be able to use his skills and knowledge elsewhere.
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What exactly??

How about the devil made me do it?

Or perhaps because we notice that the "top guns" arrive at a big match three to five days early. Maybe they're just trying to get away from their wives. No, that can't be it, some bring their wives with them -- In fact, some of them are wives . . .

What do you imagine they do with those extra days at the range where the match will be held?
 
What I took from Charles E's post was a reminder that the bullet impact determining conditions at many ranges are mixed in with all the other indicators that are false. The flags at my home range often point in conflicting directions but I'll tell you now, always trust our 100 and never the 400 on the left. That tidbit is a home field advantage you might not catch onto until its too late, or unless you show up a few days early to observe.

Cheers
 
Shooting at 1000yds is in my opinion the ultimate challenge. Without getting into technique at the bench or reading conditions, I submit to you the most important thing you can try to control,in longrange shooting, is Consistent Neck Tension. I believe many times the bullet is out of the group because of inconsistent neck tension when we think it is the wind.
 
falconpilot said:
Thanks for the responce guys...I'd really like to be able to shoot with a "top Gun" as I could learn alot about the basic bench setup, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a novice at this, as I regularly shoot 5-8" groups at 1000(light and heavy class) yards. With my resources, I just want to get better, and have no reason not too if I'm able to continue to learn the "ropes" from the veterans. Reading the wind/mirage is a continueous learning process that I'm not sure can every be mastered.
Jim
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Mr. Charles E, we wouldn't expect a lesser response from you, but The devil it was.

Mr. Charles E, would you believe that once you've learned how to drive well, you can drive well anywhere?

Mr. Charles E, could you possibly accept the fact, that Mr. Jim may also arrive to the range 5 days prior and translate his own skills to the particular range conditions?

Mr. Charles E, if you can't accept the fact and don't believe that Mr. Jim can, please show us one valid reason that he can't.

Con
 
Boy..

Just a "bit" antagonistic arent we? All Charles did was to make a very valid assessment that wind on Falcon's range is going to have different effects on trajectory then say wind at Hawk's Ridge vs Quantico vs Harry Jones vs Whitehorse vs Pella vs Ohio. So having an perfect understanding on the wind at his range will not benefit him in much content at any of the above mentioned ranges.

I will attest that certainly you can drive well anywhere once you learn to drive. But I will also state that given the fact that if you never saw a stretch of SR 541 in Ohio that I could beat you driving a Ford Escort while you drove a Corvette. Being that I have drove it all my life and you would have no idea what the "trajectory" was around the next blind curve.

I know Charles personally and he has always given good advice to any questions asked on this board. He is a gentleman and an overall damn good guy. Then someone like you has the gall to more or less attack him here for no good reason? We wonder why folks dont want to chime in and give their opinion? That's all we get anyway from anyone...is their opinion. You go to the Dr to get an opinion...you dont like that one you go and get a 2nd opinion. Unless you are a heathen you treat the first with decorum and move on

That being said...IMHO Falcon, get your bench technique down. Videotape yourself shooting a couple of strings and compare how consistent you are in your rifle handling. Get your load consistent and to Marion's point your neck tension down pat. Get out and shoot and ENJOY your hobby. ENJOY the people you meet along the way. ENJOY introducing a friend to the fun of this. ENJOY the wins and the losses. Last I saw there were no multi-million dollar contracts for benchrest shooters from the NBRSA or IBS or Williamsport. Just a bunch of guys getting together to have what should amount to a whole bunch of fun.

Now stepping off my soapbox.
 
Rob Ashcraft. said:
Just a "bit" antagonistic arent we?
I will attest that certainly you can drive well anywhere once you learn to drive. But I will also state that given the fact that if you never saw a stretch of SR 541 in Ohio that I could beat you driving a Ford Escort while you drove a Corvette. Being that I have drove it all my life and you would have no idea what the "trajectory" was around the next blind curve.


Now stepping off my soapbox.
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Mr. Rob Ashcraft, what a pitty, because what a nice me, myself and I soapbox it was.

Con
 
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Amazed

Wow...you must have blown away the Jr High debate team with those witty comebacks.

I bow to your intellectual superiority and concede that you are much better of posing your own scenarios then I. I think I'll go back to having some fun and leave the internet bashing of accomplished benchrest shooters and gentlemen to you. Glad you were able to contribute positively to this thread and stick to the topic of the thread at least somewhere in your replies. :rolleyes:

BTW...for your next Jr High debate...it's spelled "pity"

Enjoy
Rob
 
Didn't mean to start a pissing match here...Just looking for advice, and I appreciate EVERYONE chimming in here.

Since I started shooting in Feb of this year, its been a very steep learning curve. Having never reloaded before, but having shoot non-competetive(rifle anyways) my whole life, the reloading and all that goes with it ,as been a tremendous learning curve!! Neck turning, trimming brass, weighting brass, weighing bullets, sorting bullets, uniforming pockets here, uniforming pockets there....This stuff is fun!!!! Although a close shooting friend of mines claims that I'll soon be in a straight jacket in a round rubber room, trying to find a corner to stand in if I keep this up......

Charles, thanks for your input ,as that is why I asked the question.... Since I started this complusive game in Feb., I've shoot out two barrels in my 6.5 x284, and went to shoots in 5 states(of which I got lucky in two of the matches and apparently everyone else had equipment problems, and I some how won)...BTW, don't hold it against me, but I'm mainly one of those dirty belly guys that shoot 20 round strings into a F-Class target...I made a HUGE mistake last month, and attended my first IBS 1000 yard shoot. Now, besides completely driving myself crazy in the endless quest to match the 2.5" group that I witnessed fired while there, I also learned that IBS is a whole lot more laid back, and alot less busy than F-Class shooting(Not that I have a problem with that because I love F-Class as well!-going to the Nats this fall:)), and just as full of great people as F-Class.

Anyways, I'll quite rambling here...Just wanted to thank everyone for there input...

Now my neck tension is .004, maybe a little to tight, and I think that maybe that causing that slight leaker every now and then, so if I go with a .288 instead of of .287 bushing.........Wait, where the hell is that bushing?.....................................................................................................
 
Rob Ashcraft. said:
Just a "bit" antagonistic arent we?

Get out and shoot and ENJOY your hobby. ENJOY the people you meet along the way. ENJOY introducing a friend to the fun of this. ENJOY the wins and the losses. Last I saw there were no multi-million dollar contracts for benchrest shooters from the NBRSA or IBS or Williamsport. Just a bunch of guys getting together to have what should amount to a whole bunch of fun.
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Hello falconpilot,

The point made in the quote is one of the most important keys to shooting well! If you don’t enjoy your sport why do it?

3 factors affect your shooting, Equipment and Ammo which you should already have sorted, the 3rd isn’t so easy, “the human factor”

Be honest with yourself. Keep records of your days shoot, right or wrong (Handy to look back and pick out patterns) Set goals long term, mid and short term. In other words a detailed log book.

For you station layout I like “the blind man” system! While in your shooting position close your eyes and think of an item, if you can put your hand on it easily, then it’s in the right position

• Learn to get in phase with the conditions, which means you are in RHYME
• Do not accept a poor sight picture
• Idealize natural alignment
• Visualize each shot
• Be Confident and don’t try to force things to happen!

Shooting itself I visualize this away from the range and practice it at the range: Breath – Relax – Aim – Squeeze – Breath – Reload, in other words have a shot plan!
Don’t over think it, focus on what you can control, yourself and the conditions you can use to your advantage.

Winners are Grinners! The club I coach at has a lot of grinners and although shooting is a individual sport, our members support each other as they are a team even helping out other shooters from different clubs. Shooting is the most friendly sport I’ve ever been involved in, it’s very enjoyable!!

Enjoy the time putting bullets down the barrel, at the end of the day its what its all about

Hope this helps
John
 
Wow

Wow..2 barrels in 6 months! You do have the bug bad. BTW, you did not start a pissing match. It just chafes my hide a tad when there is an unprovoked attack on someone and I get compelled to chime in, so to speak.

Running an 0.004" on your bushing isnt a bad thing. I chased alot of vertical until I tightened up the bushing on my 6.5. Beware the carbon fouling on these 6.5s as well. Get a borescope, or borrow one, and take a look at the thoat in particular. Hard black carbon is not you friend.

Couldnt tell for certain from your post if you are coming to IBS 1K Nats, but if you are look me up. Ironically I go by the same name at the matches as I do on here, Rob Ashcraft.

Again..enjoy this hobby. Just when you think you got it figured out, there is a whole new set of variables that you learn about. Probably why it is so fun.

Well time to kick the tires and light the fires (thought I'd throw a lil pilot talk in there ;) ) on getting some brass prepped. Lots of shooting to do this month. NC this coming weekend, WV weekend after that and then Nats. :D

Later
Rob
 
Carbon?

Tell me what did you find?:mad:
See you at the nationals.:D
 
Rob Ashcraft. said:
BTW, you did not start a pissing match. It just chafes my hide a tad when there is an unprovoked attack on someone and I get compelled to chime in, so to speak.

Rob
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Mr. Rob Ashcraft, as capable man as Mr. Charles E is, do you really believe that he needed your me, myself and I soapbox help?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, correcting a spelling error,,,, please tell us what's wrong with you?

Mr. Rob Ashcraft, are you trying to deny that you may be irritated too aeasily, or do you think that you have become desperate?

Con
 
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