One question about Jackie Schmidt's 30 BR set up.

[82boy]

I want to say congratulations Jackie, Great shooting!!

I see that Jackie's amazing new soon to be record has the forum sites buzzing. I noticed something in an article found on 6MMBR.com web site. There is a picture of a 30BR round laying in an action, I am not sure if this is just a file photo or the photo from Jackie's gun, but my question is I see that the bullet looks like it is moly coated. Does Jackie shoot moly coated bullets?

 

[333smitty]

Record Setting Bullets

I want to say congratulations Jackie, Great shooting!!

I see that Jackie's amazing new soon to be record has the forum sites buzzing. I noticed something in an article found on 6MMBR.com web site. There is a picture of a 30BR round laying in an action, I am not sure if this is just a file photo or the photo from Jackie's gun, but my question is I see that the bullet looks like it is moly coated. Does Jackie shoot moly coated bullets?

Jackie used 30cal BIB 112gr #7 bullets.They were not moly coated.

 

[82boy]

I just when back and re-read the article. I don't know if the caption under the photo was there when I first read it, but there is one that says that "File photo, Jackie doesn't normally shoot moly coated bullets." I was wondering because I remember reading that during that record Jackie never once cleaned his gun, so I was trying to put one and one together and make two.

 

[alinwa]

I just when back and re-read the article. I don't know if the caption under the photo was there when I first read it, but there is one that says that "File photo, Jackie doesn't normally shoot moly coated bullets." I was wondering because I remember reading that during that record Jackie never once cleaned his gun, so I was trying to put one and one together and make two.

Patrick,

Before you just believe all that guff about moly being "easier to clean, and shoots longer"... you need to go try it.

With naked bullets.

You need not fear wrecking anything, most of the new solvents will melt copper like butter in the sun IF perchance you do build more copper than you'd like.

Just try it, prove for yourself whether or not moly "Extends the period between cleanings."

al

 

[82boy]

O' I know without a doubt about Moly, I shoot moly in my IBS long range guns. I clean my 6x47L about every 100 rounds, (That is about where accuracy falls off) and all I do is run a couple of patches of RB17, a bronze brush for 10 strokes, and run a couple of dry patches down the bore. ( I don't try to get the moly out, just the fouling) I found that this is where my accuracy is the best.

I don't shoot moly in my 6PPC because of a couple of fellow shooters, they use to shoot moly but stopped, the reason why one of them stopped was he got beat out by .011 of an inch aggregate in a NBRSA match at Holton MI, he stated he believes that the moly leaves a slightly bigger ring mark when passing through the paper, he contributes this to his 2nd place instead of 1st. He cant confirm or dismiss this but it is his story. I don't shoot it partly because of his story, and second it takes more time to coat the bullets, and what I am doing is working fine. With it I clean after every round, and JB after ever match.

I talk to Rand Robbinette every so often, and I know he swears by moly.

 

[mike in co]

al,
it does work. the real question as you have noted, is it required in br shooting ?
it works great in 88 rd 200/300/600 across the course shooting. it works great in three gun shooting, it works great in pistol shooting,
but is it necessary in a br quality bbl being shot 25 plus rounds ???.......i dont know.
i think one could easily shoot an entire yardage without cleaning. heack jackie did it with necked....the problem, in my opinion, is the lemmings cannot keep a bronze brush out of thier bbls.

mike in co

 

[mike in co]

O' I know without a doubt about Moly, I shoot moly in my IBS long range guns. I clean my 6x47L about every 100 rounds, (That is about where accuracy falls off) and all I do is run a couple of patches of RB17, a bronze brush for 10 strokes, and run a couple of dry patches down the bore. ( I don't try to get the moly out, just the fouling) I found that this is where my accuracy is the best.

I don't shoot moly in my 6PPC because of a couple of fellow shooters, they use to shoot moly but stopped, the reason why one of them stopped was he got beat out by .011 of an inch aggregate in a NBRSA match at Holton MI, he stated he believes that the moly leaves a slightly bigger ring mark when passing through the paper, he contributes this to his 2nd place instead of 1st. He cant confirm or dismiss this but it is his story. I don't shoot it partly because of his story, and second it takes more time to coat the bullets, and what I am doing is working fine. With it I clean after every round, and JB after ever match.

I talk to Rand Robbinette every so often, and I know he swears by moly.

i hate to be rude, but if you are using a bronze brush in your bbl, you should not be claiming you are "shooting moly" period.


"moly shooting" is an entire process. it encludes coating the bbl and not removing the coating.

shooting moly means you give up bronze brushes and just use chemicals and patches.

its more likely you are losing accuracy to carbon fouling. use a carbon buster and patches. then use a copper remover and patches if required.

but stay away from bronze brushes................................

mike in co

 

[82boy]

i hate to be rude, but if you are using a bronze brush in your bbl, you should not be claiming you are "shooting moly" period.


"moly shooting" is an entire process. it encludes coating the bbl and not removing the coating.

shooting moly means you give up bronze brushes and just use chemicals and patches.

its more likely you are losing accuracy to carbon fouling. use a carbon buster and patches. then use a copper remover and patches if required.

but stay away from bronze brushes................................

mike in co

Really.

 

[Steve Nash]

Mike,

You do it your way and some of us do it our way...either way you are shooting moly or you are not...it's not the condition of the barrel it's the coating on the projectile...I have been shooting moly in my bench guns for over 10 years and only clean after a grand agg...I clean the same as you would when shooting naked projectiles...haven't had to condition my bore after cleaning, so there must be some moly left in the barrel even after using bronze brushes and JB...I thought the idea of shooting moly was to be able to shoot more rounds between cleaning...I think that's what most of us are doing...my cleaning regime works for me and other people do it their way but telling someone to not use bronze brushes is wrong.

Steve

 

[amamnn]

??? I thought we were already 2 or 3 miracle coatings beyond molybdenum disulfide????

 

[Boyd Allen]

A few years ago, I agreed to pinch hit for Bill Mellor and take care of writing, publishing, and distributing the match results for one Visalia match.

During the course of the weekend, I noticed that one of the regulars, who usually gives an good account of himself, was shooting moly. I asked him about his experience with it. It turns out that he had been using it on his bullets since the process was first publicized with the whole RCBS tumbler, steel shot, wax coating routine. As we were talking he was cleaning his rifle....which he does between every match with patches, solvent, and a bronze brush, in a manner similar to how users of naked bullets do. I asked him about that. He said that he as always cleaned the same way. When I asked about barrel life, he said that he definitely was of the opinion that it extended it, and that the barrel that the one that he was shooting had 2,500 rounds on it and was still performing well.

Later, under difficult conditons, he shot a very nice 200 yd group (a .179), and at the end of the day, I took a picture of him and the target, which I published in the match report. If he was "not doing it right" I would like to know by what standard right is judged. For me, really small groups and extended barrel life are enough. One of the great things about a hobby is that you get to do it your way.