Ojai Match
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It was cold, Lynn-
Twenty four degrees, or less, far as I can tell.
The state of California has been kind enough to place a weather station next to the range, so you can check it out here:
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ROV&d=15-Nov-2009+21:15&span=12hours
Note: As the link is only for one specific day and time, you'll have to click the "latest" button every time you want to check it.
My fingers were so frozen--Raynaud's--that I volunteered for the second relay.
The first relay had great conditions, with Bill Hubina taking the honors with two 48s, and groups in the small 3s if I remember correctly.
I took best group, with something around 2.75"--I'm too lazy to go out to the car and check my target--but my second group was 3.9xx."
In the wind.
Obviously, I changed my load from that I used in Sacramento.
Barry didn't shoot, but came up early to help set targets.
I allegedly ran the match, but had so much help it's hard to take credit.
Mike Leonard and Mark LaFevers had the new wind flags up, so we now have a festive range.
And it helps.
It was a beautiful day--if chilly--and if it's that nice for our upcoming--and inaugural--NBRSA match, it will be a blast.
RBD
Twenty four degrees, or less, far as I can tell.
The state of California has been kind enough to place a weather station next to the range, so you can check it out here:
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ROV&d=15-Nov-2009+21:15&span=12hours
Note: As the link is only for one specific day and time, you'll have to click the "latest" button every time you want to check it.
My fingers were so frozen--Raynaud's--that I volunteered for the second relay.
The first relay had great conditions, with Bill Hubina taking the honors with two 48s, and groups in the small 3s if I remember correctly.
I took best group, with something around 2.75"--I'm too lazy to go out to the car and check my target--but my second group was 3.9xx."
In the wind.
Obviously, I changed my load from that I used in Sacramento.
Barry didn't shoot, but came up early to help set targets.
I allegedly ran the match, but had so much help it's hard to take credit.
Mike Leonard and Mark LaFevers had the new wind flags up, so we now have a festive range.
And it helps.
It was a beautiful day--if chilly--and if it's that nice for our upcoming--and inaugural--NBRSA match, it will be a blast.
RBD
Ojai Valley Gun Club/Rose Valley Weather web site
The Los Angeles/Oxnard National Weather Service Forecast Office web site is >http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/lox/<. In the left hand column under "Current Conditions" click on "Observations". On the next page there are multiple Individual Observation Station choices. Select "Ventura County", then "Rose Valley" and add it to your Favorites. The web site is updated hourly.
Dave
The Los Angeles/Oxnard National Weather Service Forecast Office web site is >http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/lox/<. In the left hand column under "Current Conditions" click on "Observations". On the next page there are multiple Individual Observation Station choices. Select "Ventura County", then "Rose Valley" and add it to your Favorites. The web site is updated hourly.
Dave
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Be There or Be Square....
Well, Lynn, yes.
It was our monthly 600 yd Varmint/Silhouette match, which starts with two five shot paper NBRSA targets.
Not, perhaps, worthy of note here, but important to those who shoot it.
Barry said you and your Dad would be at the NBRSA 600 yard match, and I hope you will.
You have two weeks to develop a load.
Which is what I'm attempting.
I'll stick with the load I used on Sunday, as I'm not certain I can do better.
The 6x47L is the same gun that shot consecutive 1.5xx" groups just a few months ago, and I'm hoping that despite the new lot of H4350 I can better my performance at Sacramento.
It's not a good time to have your chrony back at the factory for evaluation.
I'd like to shoot the 6.5x47 Lapua for heavy gun. I have some JLKs, but haven't been able to tune them to match the original lot of Berger 130s.
I've had good luck with Hornady 140s, but... well, you're giving up a lot, velocity speaking, ballistically.
Or I could try and tune the Scenar 123s, which are excellent bullets, which I haven't really used.
Then again, I have a new lot of RL-15, and according to Jerry Tierney, the new stuff is much slower than the old.
I'm sort of a rookie here, but have finally realized that this forum isn't much like Paul's 6mmBR. Far as I can tell there's not much exchange of useful information, more like, see you at the match.
Every time I log on I see a bazillion views, but not many posts?
Maybe everybody's terrified on this forum?
Certainly not you.
Anyway, I shoot three clubs regularly. I've been a member at Winchester Canyon longest, on the top of the Coastal Range, with unmatched views from the 200 yd. range up and down the coast.
Rock formations like the Alabama Hills.
I've been shooting Ojai since June a year ago, and grown to love the drive, first up the Matilija Canyon floor, then along the ridge with its 2,000 foot drop-offs, and finally the home stretch down Rose Valley.
Not to mention I backpacked the Sespe for four years in Junior High.
It feels a little like home.
Sacramento?
There's not much prettier than the Sierra foothills in April, all green, and the tiny old Gold Rush towns.
But mainly, for me, Sacramento is where the shooters are.
I have been good--a little--and very, very lucky to do as well as I have.
Last week a woman I know went off on me. She's the Beverage Manager at the local café that has almost 100 of my black and white portraits on the wall.
(In another life, I was a photographer. You need a copy of my coffee table book on antique and classic speedboats.)
"This is so out of character, Bruce. You sell guns?"
I tried to explain, but she was having nothing of it.
I expect she needs attention.
Anyway, we're all--the Ojai Boys--unimaginably eager to welcome real shooters to our first NBRSA sanctioned 600 yard match, even if we do feel a little like lambs to the slaughter.
If I can shoot back to back 1.5xx" groups, who knows what Lou, or Don, or you, Lynn, can do.
All we ask is that if our favorite doe and her two fawns decide to cross the range, you cease fire.
They're sort of cute, really.
RBD
Well, Lynn, yes.
It was our monthly 600 yd Varmint/Silhouette match, which starts with two five shot paper NBRSA targets.
Not, perhaps, worthy of note here, but important to those who shoot it.
Barry said you and your Dad would be at the NBRSA 600 yard match, and I hope you will.
You have two weeks to develop a load.
Which is what I'm attempting.
I'll stick with the load I used on Sunday, as I'm not certain I can do better.
The 6x47L is the same gun that shot consecutive 1.5xx" groups just a few months ago, and I'm hoping that despite the new lot of H4350 I can better my performance at Sacramento.
It's not a good time to have your chrony back at the factory for evaluation.
I'd like to shoot the 6.5x47 Lapua for heavy gun. I have some JLKs, but haven't been able to tune them to match the original lot of Berger 130s.
I've had good luck with Hornady 140s, but... well, you're giving up a lot, velocity speaking, ballistically.
Or I could try and tune the Scenar 123s, which are excellent bullets, which I haven't really used.
Then again, I have a new lot of RL-15, and according to Jerry Tierney, the new stuff is much slower than the old.
I'm sort of a rookie here, but have finally realized that this forum isn't much like Paul's 6mmBR. Far as I can tell there's not much exchange of useful information, more like, see you at the match.
Every time I log on I see a bazillion views, but not many posts?
Maybe everybody's terrified on this forum?
Certainly not you.
Anyway, I shoot three clubs regularly. I've been a member at Winchester Canyon longest, on the top of the Coastal Range, with unmatched views from the 200 yd. range up and down the coast.
Rock formations like the Alabama Hills.
I've been shooting Ojai since June a year ago, and grown to love the drive, first up the Matilija Canyon floor, then along the ridge with its 2,000 foot drop-offs, and finally the home stretch down Rose Valley.
Not to mention I backpacked the Sespe for four years in Junior High.
It feels a little like home.
Sacramento?
There's not much prettier than the Sierra foothills in April, all green, and the tiny old Gold Rush towns.
But mainly, for me, Sacramento is where the shooters are.
I have been good--a little--and very, very lucky to do as well as I have.
Last week a woman I know went off on me. She's the Beverage Manager at the local café that has almost 100 of my black and white portraits on the wall.
(In another life, I was a photographer. You need a copy of my coffee table book on antique and classic speedboats.)
"This is so out of character, Bruce. You sell guns?"
I tried to explain, but she was having nothing of it.
I expect she needs attention.
Anyway, we're all--the Ojai Boys--unimaginably eager to welcome real shooters to our first NBRSA sanctioned 600 yard match, even if we do feel a little like lambs to the slaughter.
If I can shoot back to back 1.5xx" groups, who knows what Lou, or Don, or you, Lynn, can do.
All we ask is that if our favorite doe and her two fawns decide to cross the range, you cease fire.
They're sort of cute, really.
RBD
Bruce
Its winter weather in alot of the U.S. right now so alot of the shooters who are normaly here are huddled up next to there fireplaces trying to fight off the frostbite or pull a truck out of the snow bank it slid into.
Your in southern Cal wearing your shorts and tank top sipping on a cold beer watching all the movie stars strut there stuff wondering if you should go to the range go surfing or just have another beer while working on your tan.
My father and myself are working on a better Dasher load to replace our RE15 load as I just can't get any consistency from it.At the recent Nationals it shot two screamer groups for us on the same day but the other two days it shot larger than I have ever shot before in both guns unless they were broken.Of the guys I actually know for certain who were using it they didn't shoot as good as they normaly do and by going over there results it looks like there guns shot exactly like our guns did.Good one day bad two days and it wasn't relay or weather related.
We got rain up here yesterday but we plan on setting up for 600 yards on thursday and testing out our new Varget loads.If it goes well we will be at the match if it doesn't we will be working on another powder looking for more consistency.
Don't worry about the responses you get too much unless you look the shooter up and he is winning all the matches he is in.Some of us type better than we shoot.
Lynn aka Waterboy
Its winter weather in alot of the U.S. right now so alot of the shooters who are normaly here are huddled up next to there fireplaces trying to fight off the frostbite or pull a truck out of the snow bank it slid into.
Your in southern Cal wearing your shorts and tank top sipping on a cold beer watching all the movie stars strut there stuff wondering if you should go to the range go surfing or just have another beer while working on your tan.
My father and myself are working on a better Dasher load to replace our RE15 load as I just can't get any consistency from it.At the recent Nationals it shot two screamer groups for us on the same day but the other two days it shot larger than I have ever shot before in both guns unless they were broken.Of the guys I actually know for certain who were using it they didn't shoot as good as they normaly do and by going over there results it looks like there guns shot exactly like our guns did.Good one day bad two days and it wasn't relay or weather related.
We got rain up here yesterday but we plan on setting up for 600 yards on thursday and testing out our new Varget loads.If it goes well we will be at the match if it doesn't we will be working on another powder looking for more consistency.
Don't worry about the responses you get too much unless you look the shooter up and he is winning all the matches he is in.Some of us type better than we shoot.
Lynn aka Waterboy
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NBRSA 600 Yard Match, This Sunday...
You've got me mixed up with someone else, Lynn, as I rarely see movie stars.
But yep, it's still nice down at sea level, and some of the girls are so pretty I have to make certain my pacemaker is working.
Bill Hubina's the one who owns the surf shop, and rumor has it he showed up for his first Ojai 600 yard match in flip-flops, board shorts, and a Hawaiian shirt.
Now he's one of the guys you have to beat.
I'm hoping you've found a load.
I've been testing the 123s in the 6.5, and haven't found anything I like. Maybe I should have chased the Hornady 140s around?
How does one make these decisions?
I tested seating depth on the 6x47 yesterday, with the 108s and the new batch of H4350. Hoping to do better.
It was so windy, I can't tell. Is it worth testing loads in the wind? Is it possible--I mean beneficial--just to look for vertical?
We have a big old steel tub, and day of the match Mike Leonard will have a fire going for us when we arrive in the morning.
I'll be running the pits, on the basis of eight days shooting NBRSA matches in Sacramento. We'll use the same format, with one sighter target, and score targets stapled on top.
I am by no means despotic, but will try to provide the kind of target service I'd hope for.
Getting on paper may be an issue, so I'm hoping that all those who have a chance will be set for 600 yards.
And sheesh, Lynn, I used to love marathon road trips. Especially leaving before dawn to go fishing in the Eastern Sierra.
But I don't much like driving any more, so the trip to Sacramento isn't easy.
That said, one of the pleasures of our sport is shooting different ranges, and you'd be hard pressed to find anything prettier than our Rose Valley range, and the drive up.
I think I'm getting excited.
RBD
You've got me mixed up with someone else, Lynn, as I rarely see movie stars.
But yep, it's still nice down at sea level, and some of the girls are so pretty I have to make certain my pacemaker is working.
Bill Hubina's the one who owns the surf shop, and rumor has it he showed up for his first Ojai 600 yard match in flip-flops, board shorts, and a Hawaiian shirt.
Now he's one of the guys you have to beat.
I'm hoping you've found a load.
I've been testing the 123s in the 6.5, and haven't found anything I like. Maybe I should have chased the Hornady 140s around?
How does one make these decisions?
I tested seating depth on the 6x47 yesterday, with the 108s and the new batch of H4350. Hoping to do better.
It was so windy, I can't tell. Is it worth testing loads in the wind? Is it possible--I mean beneficial--just to look for vertical?
We have a big old steel tub, and day of the match Mike Leonard will have a fire going for us when we arrive in the morning.
I'll be running the pits, on the basis of eight days shooting NBRSA matches in Sacramento. We'll use the same format, with one sighter target, and score targets stapled on top.
I am by no means despotic, but will try to provide the kind of target service I'd hope for.
Getting on paper may be an issue, so I'm hoping that all those who have a chance will be set for 600 yards.
And sheesh, Lynn, I used to love marathon road trips. Especially leaving before dawn to go fishing in the Eastern Sierra.
But I don't much like driving any more, so the trip to Sacramento isn't easy.
That said, one of the pleasures of our sport is shooting different ranges, and you'd be hard pressed to find anything prettier than our Rose Valley range, and the drive up.
I think I'm getting excited.
RBD
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Will Your Family Let You Load on Thanksgiving?
Okay, Lynn, it looks like the natives have been whipped into a rabid frenzy.
At last census, it will be a pretty decent match, with competitors--many of whom are well known here--from North and South, East and... well, West is tough as that's the Pacific Ocean.
I'm not entirely happy with my load, but, as newspaper writers--now there's a dying breed--say, go with what you've got.
My boss--who graduated from Trinidad in '58--was kind enough to announce to the shop that we would be "...making ourselves scarce on Friday..." as, he acknowledged, "Bruce will be loading."
The high point of the week was test firing a .338 Lapua we built for a client.
This man is an engineer, and has some very specific ideas about rifles.
After an immense amount of study, he ordered a variable twist barrel from Frank Green.
This barrel was tested last week, just to for headspace.
This week Paul, one of our machinists, tested the regular barrel.
Understand that being your basic pencil neck geek, I am not at all interested in magnums. This is pretty consistent with my lost youth, when I favored small sports cars above V8s.
Anyway, Paul takes this behemoth up to the range, gets on paper, and shoots a couple of groups. The 250 gr group is just fine, probably about .500"
But the 300 grain group, three shots?
.350".
No load development, no fancy rest, no seating depth tests.
.350", and fire forming newly neck turned cases.
Is the .338 Lapua always this good?
See you Sunday,
RBD
Okay, Lynn, it looks like the natives have been whipped into a rabid frenzy.
At last census, it will be a pretty decent match, with competitors--many of whom are well known here--from North and South, East and... well, West is tough as that's the Pacific Ocean.
I'm not entirely happy with my load, but, as newspaper writers--now there's a dying breed--say, go with what you've got.
My boss--who graduated from Trinidad in '58--was kind enough to announce to the shop that we would be "...making ourselves scarce on Friday..." as, he acknowledged, "Bruce will be loading."
The high point of the week was test firing a .338 Lapua we built for a client.
This man is an engineer, and has some very specific ideas about rifles.
After an immense amount of study, he ordered a variable twist barrel from Frank Green.
This barrel was tested last week, just to for headspace.
This week Paul, one of our machinists, tested the regular barrel.
Understand that being your basic pencil neck geek, I am not at all interested in magnums. This is pretty consistent with my lost youth, when I favored small sports cars above V8s.
Anyway, Paul takes this behemoth up to the range, gets on paper, and shoots a couple of groups. The 250 gr group is just fine, probably about .500"
But the 300 grain group, three shots?
.350".
No load development, no fancy rest, no seating depth tests.
.350", and fire forming newly neck turned cases.
Is the .338 Lapua always this good?
See you Sunday,
RBD
Bruce
Unless we get our Dasher's shooting thursday before turkey dinner we probaly won't make the trip.At our last match they both shot like turds at best.I was trying to get a good Varget load and will try 32.7 32.8 in the morning as it showed the most promise.
We have been shooting 33.1-33.5 grains of RE15 and one day it is awesome and the next its all over the place.I tried it in my 6BR's years ago and it did the same thing so I quit using it.I am missing something here and I'm positive its my fault but I don't get any consistency day to day.
As you know Billy Copeland used it all 3 days at the Nationals and won everything in sight.Louie Tamagni has a Dasher that was shooting very well for him all season long and his gun did the same thing our two guns did at the Nationals and he was using RE15 as well.
At our last match the general consensus was I was crazy but thats always the general consensus at our matches.
I only shot 1 three shot group at 32.7 and 32.8 grains of varget but both groups went into a single hole that I'm hoping will tighten up with a seating depth change,if not I am going to try some H4895 and some IMR4895 and see what happens.
Lynn
Unless we get our Dasher's shooting thursday before turkey dinner we probaly won't make the trip.At our last match they both shot like turds at best.I was trying to get a good Varget load and will try 32.7 32.8 in the morning as it showed the most promise.
We have been shooting 33.1-33.5 grains of RE15 and one day it is awesome and the next its all over the place.I tried it in my 6BR's years ago and it did the same thing so I quit using it.I am missing something here and I'm positive its my fault but I don't get any consistency day to day.
As you know Billy Copeland used it all 3 days at the Nationals and won everything in sight.Louie Tamagni has a Dasher that was shooting very well for him all season long and his gun did the same thing our two guns did at the Nationals and he was using RE15 as well.
At our last match the general consensus was I was crazy but thats always the general consensus at our matches.
I only shot 1 three shot group at 32.7 and 32.8 grains of varget but both groups went into a single hole that I'm hoping will tighten up with a seating depth change,if not I am going to try some H4895 and some IMR4895 and see what happens.
Lynn