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Dennis Sorensen
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I like this cartoon...
Kudos to the United States Navy!!
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JerrySharrett
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Yes, the Navy guys did an outstanding job.
But, I make the argument that protecting those Container ships should not be the job of OUR US Navy. Even if the ship of of US registry.
The US Navy is not missioned to protect private enterprises. We need to quit risking US military lives just to be worlds police force.
There was a risk of loosing a billion dollar cruiser and priceless Naval personnels lives just to save a boat load of exported US jobs.
Most of the cargo on those ships is made in Communist China and the profits go to the Communist Chinese military.
http://www.conservativeusa.org/DefendFromChina.htm
read at least the first two paragraphs.
But, I make the argument that protecting those Container ships should not be the job of OUR US Navy. Even if the ship of of US registry.
The US Navy is not missioned to protect private enterprises. We need to quit risking US military lives just to be worlds police force.
There was a risk of loosing a billion dollar cruiser and priceless Naval personnels lives just to save a boat load of exported US jobs.
Most of the cargo on those ships is made in Communist China and the profits go to the Communist Chinese military.
http://www.conservativeusa.org/DefendFromChina.htm
read at least the first two paragraphs.
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RStiefel
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Long Beach
Port, the largest and busiest in the US, is absolutely loaded with cargo vessels from China. We are the largest importer of their junk in the world. They have the largest Army and Air Force in the world, and we continue to send Billions of dollars each year to them, helping them to become even bigger and stronger?????
Port, the largest and busiest in the US, is absolutely loaded with cargo vessels from China. We are the largest importer of their junk in the world. They have the largest Army and Air Force in the world, and we continue to send Billions of dollars each year to them, helping them to become even bigger and stronger?????
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alan k
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Why didn't the Seals take out the bad guys when the captain jumped out of the boat? Check it out.
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Douglas
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correct me if I'm wrong, were't there navy personnel aboard the Liberty Ships during WWII? They manned the 50cals, what few they had on board. Why can't our Merchant Marine personnel handle a couple 50's, they'd take out any of those little dinghys. Thanks, Douglas
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K Thomas
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Jaybic,
according to the Koran, they do not have the right to kill infidels, they have a duty to do so. They also are justified in lying, making truces they have no intent of honoring (there's a time limit imposed by the Koran, and it's a pause in hostilities, never permanent a cessation). And no, they don't consider it stealing from us infidels, either, but merely taking what is rightfully theirs to begin with. Bottom line in the Koran is, all's fair, so long as it furthers the ultimate aims of Islam; being the dominant force in the world, and allowing limited practice of only those "approved" religions that they are willing to tolerate, as long as said religions/followers admit their second-class status to Muslims. Anybody who wants to argue with this, don't take it up with me, take it up with Muhammad. It's in the Koran, and it's law for Muslims. Anyone who reads this (or listens to the crap from groups like CAIR) needs to understand the doctrine of abrogation, and the difference between Meccan and Medinan Suras.
That said, while the pirates are Muslims, I don't believe they are Islamic fundamentalists that strictly adhere to the Koran. They're mercenary little thugs whose earthly problems could be resolved quite nicely by a 20mm Vulcan, a Barrett .50 or an M24.
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alan k
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Many of the countries in that area and South & Central America, for that matter, have strict rules on civilian vessels carrying firearms. In most places firearms must be declared and many ports require the guns to be turned over to the port authorities. In the case of sailing yachts this amounts to confiscation. If one bullet is found on a private yacht they will tear the boat apart looking for the gun. A few years ago a fellow was selling an insert for a flair gun that would fire a .38. Now many countries confiscate that type of distress signal. They don't want civilians shooting at their off duty police and military when they board your vessel to rob and pillage.
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Ackman
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Here's something may be of interest. Came to me from a friend who knows a person or two in the community. I'd guessed the real story would be something along these lines but this is even worse. America will be in a real unpleasant spot when a real crisis comes along.
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Many thanks to Dick for passing this along.it reportedly comes from a "very reliable source." In any event, I thought it worthwhile reading.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Obama's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority the president of the United States, Barack Obama had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by
Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with
such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a "peaceful solution" would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on-scene-commander decided he'd had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer unnamed in all media reports to date decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
This information is provided by PURE PURSUIT INFORMATION CENTER, as a service to members of the Military and Air Defense Community with the purpose of offering relevant and timely information on (open source) defense, aviation, emergency, law enforcement and terrorism issues. Posts may be forwarded to other individuals, organizations and lists for non-commercial purposes.
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This is an INFORMATION list; this list is NOT secure.
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Many thanks to Dick for passing this along.it reportedly comes from a "very reliable source." In any event, I thought it worthwhile reading.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Obama's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn't worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority the president of the United States, Barack Obama had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by
Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with
such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a "peaceful solution" would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on-scene-commander decided he'd had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer unnamed in all media reports to date decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
This information is provided by PURE PURSUIT INFORMATION CENTER, as a service to members of the Military and Air Defense Community with the purpose of offering relevant and timely information on (open source) defense, aviation, emergency, law enforcement and terrorism issues. Posts may be forwarded to other individuals, organizations and lists for non-commercial purposes.
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This is an INFORMATION list; this list is NOT secure.
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RStiefel
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Nswg3
Please refrain from publicizing untrue statements from whatever source you find. We, as USN SEALS, don't disclose our missions, nor do we condone the false statements aired by the uneducated. Vlado Marynovich, Master Chief, Seal Team Two, USN, (retired).
Please refrain from publicizing untrue statements from whatever source you find. We, as USN SEALS, don't disclose our missions, nor do we condone the false statements aired by the uneducated. Vlado Marynovich, Master Chief, Seal Team Two, USN, (retired).
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Geo.OR
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Has to do with the rules/laws in foreign ports for arms on commercial vessels. I think maybe those rules are going to change.