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Any22
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Hi jack
Not a problem . How many Yards in A millimeter ?
Not a problem . How many Yards in A millimeter ?
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tenring
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Kimber junk
Mine is like Murphy reported. Its a 84M, .308 and has been returned to the factory twice. One pillar was bedded crooked; gunsmith found a small burr in the bore; primers would not always detonate. They replaced the stock and of course, with straight pillars;a new barrel, and adjusted the firing pin. Even now, occasionally a primer will not detonate, althought pin strikes it with sufficient force. This was a $950 gun, not worth half that. Any buyers?
Mine is like Murphy reported. Its a 84M, .308 and has been returned to the factory twice. One pillar was bedded crooked; gunsmith found a small burr in the bore; primers would not always detonate. They replaced the stock and of course, with straight pillars;a new barrel, and adjusted the firing pin. Even now, occasionally a primer will not detonate, althought pin strikes it with sufficient force. This was a $950 gun, not worth half that. Any buyers?
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murphy
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To Any22
Tenrings rifle sounds like it was made just after the office xmas party,just like mine was. Dont be discouraged as I think you might be on to a good one, so try the bullet seating increment trick and I think you might be pleased with the result. One other thing to look at, is to remove the bolt and look at the first inch or so of rifeling at the muzzle end in bright sunlight. If any copper fouling is noticed get rid of it or it will spoil your groups.
Tenrings rifle sounds like it was made just after the office xmas party,just like mine was. Dont be discouraged as I think you might be on to a good one, so try the bullet seating increment trick and I think you might be pleased with the result. One other thing to look at, is to remove the bolt and look at the first inch or so of rifeling at the muzzle end in bright sunlight. If any copper fouling is noticed get rid of it or it will spoil your groups.
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murphy
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To Any22
Tenrings rifle sounds like it was made just after the office xmas party,just like mine was. Dont be discouraged as I think you might be on to a good one, so try the bullet seating increment trick and I think you might be pleased with the result. One other thing to look at, is to remove the bolt and look at the first inch or so of rifeling in bright sunlight. If any copper fouling is noticed get rid of it or it will spoil your groups.
Tenrings rifle sounds like it was made just after the office xmas party,just like mine was. Dont be discouraged as I think you might be on to a good one, so try the bullet seating increment trick and I think you might be pleased with the result. One other thing to look at, is to remove the bolt and look at the first inch or so of rifeling in bright sunlight. If any copper fouling is noticed get rid of it or it will spoil your groups.
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Any22
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Kimber
I STILL want a COOPER though. DIDNT HELP A BIT
I STILL want a COOPER though. DIDNT HELP A BIT
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lew79
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Kimber
Sorry to hear about everyones bad Kimber experiences. I bought a brand new 84M Longmaster VT in .22-250 it comes with a giant fluted bull barrel and so far(30rds) it's accuracy has floored me. After sight in and working up to 3 shot groups@100Y in between cleaning, it laid down .2 on my first group (that paper may not ever come off the fridge). Thats better than the cooper papers proudly displayed next to those rifles under glass at my local gun store. I'm still breaking it but have moved to 5 shot groups. The first shot after cleaning will occasionally be slightly off(not more than 5/16" from the following group), after that this thing has yet to shoot a group I cant cover up with a dime. However I haven't recreated my .2 yet, but considering I'm a coyote hunter I'm extremely happy with my new Kimber.
Sorry to hear about everyones bad Kimber experiences. I bought a brand new 84M Longmaster VT in .22-250 it comes with a giant fluted bull barrel and so far(30rds) it's accuracy has floored me. After sight in and working up to 3 shot groups@100Y in between cleaning, it laid down .2 on my first group (that paper may not ever come off the fridge). Thats better than the cooper papers proudly displayed next to those rifles under glass at my local gun store. I'm still breaking it but have moved to 5 shot groups. The first shot after cleaning will occasionally be slightly off(not more than 5/16" from the following group), after that this thing has yet to shoot a group I cant cover up with a dime. However I haven't recreated my .2 yet, but considering I'm a coyote hunter I'm extremely happy with my new Kimber.
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bl4ckd0g
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I did not have trouble with my .223 84m. I sold it yesterday to fund a Savage long range rifle build up.
A Kimber rifle, like their 1911's, are produced in such quantities that they will let lemons slip by. They are not benchrest rifles by any stretch of the imagination, they're well-dressed field rifles that are relatively accurate. My best group has been 0.6" using 25gn of Ramshot, 55gn SBK's, and a slightly longer OAL. This could have improved slightly with more handloading research, a trigger pull reduction, and use of a machine vise (i.e. leadsled) to measure it's true accuracy. And I'll be the first to admit that I'm a crappy marksman.
Most of my better handloads yielded 1" groups, which is far under "minute of groundhog" for most farmers. I'd rather should this rifle all day with a Burris compact R/A scope than a Rem 700 or a Savage BVSS. It also had a magical "feel" after I considered the aforementioned rifles. It's a slim, lightweight shooter.
A Kimber rifle, like their 1911's, are produced in such quantities that they will let lemons slip by. They are not benchrest rifles by any stretch of the imagination, they're well-dressed field rifles that are relatively accurate. My best group has been 0.6" using 25gn of Ramshot, 55gn SBK's, and a slightly longer OAL. This could have improved slightly with more handloading research, a trigger pull reduction, and use of a machine vise (i.e. leadsled) to measure it's true accuracy. And I'll be the first to admit that I'm a crappy marksman.
Most of my better handloads yielded 1" groups, which is far under "minute of groundhog" for most farmers. I'd rather should this rifle all day with a Burris compact R/A scope than a Rem 700 or a Savage BVSS. It also had a magical "feel" after I considered the aforementioned rifles. It's a slim, lightweight shooter.
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DR4NRA
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gt40
I bought it mainly because over 30 years I had never seen a Ruger VT in .220 Swift that would not shoot 1/4" or less 5 shot groups at 100 yards.
I have seen some Coopers shoot pretty good, but NOT better than my Ruger.
Just wondering How did you get a VT in 78 ( 30 yrs) when the thing was not made until 91, and the all stainless 2 yrs later? Ruger never made a target rifle until the VT and the Palma in the late 90s, and also when are you going to quit using this same post and say something diffrent !!!!!!! Read this a week ago on another 22.250 which you said it was pasted from a previous post ????????
I will post a few pics of groups from my 220 swift Cooper 22 Montana varminter. It will put 10 shots under a dime at 100 consistently all day long allowing to cool in between 10 shot groups.
As far as Kimber, thier quality of rifles has been the subject of discussion since they came out. Most I have heard is not good. They are pretty, but dont seem to shoot well without alot of work, and for the cost of the rifle thats unacceptable.
If ya want a 1911 they make great ones, If ya want a rifle that shoots out of the box buy a COOPER.
I bought it mainly because over 30 years I had never seen a Ruger VT in .220 Swift that would not shoot 1/4" or less 5 shot groups at 100 yards.
I have seen some Coopers shoot pretty good, but NOT better than my Ruger.
Just wondering How did you get a VT in 78 ( 30 yrs) when the thing was not made until 91, and the all stainless 2 yrs later? Ruger never made a target rifle until the VT and the Palma in the late 90s, and also when are you going to quit using this same post and say something diffrent !!!!!!! Read this a week ago on another 22.250 which you said it was pasted from a previous post ????????
I will post a few pics of groups from my 220 swift Cooper 22 Montana varminter. It will put 10 shots under a dime at 100 consistently all day long allowing to cool in between 10 shot groups.
As far as Kimber, thier quality of rifles has been the subject of discussion since they came out. Most I have heard is not good. They are pretty, but dont seem to shoot well without alot of work, and for the cost of the rifle thats unacceptable.
If ya want a 1911 they make great ones, If ya want a rifle that shoots out of the box buy a COOPER.
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Any22
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kimber
Well I FIXED THE KIMBER UP YEP TRADED FOR A SAVAGE LRPV, STILL WANT THAT COOPER
Well I FIXED THE KIMBER UP YEP TRADED FOR A SAVAGE LRPV, STILL WANT THAT COOPER
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murphy
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To Any22
Hows the Savage going,bet the divorce didnt hurt much at all?
Hows the Savage going,bet the divorce didnt hurt much at all?
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Any22
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Savage
Well I finally got to the range Sat. The guy I got the gun from said it shot 1 " w 40s & In the 1s ???? w/32s Well it shot 1' w/ the 40s & W/ 32sw & un known powder built for my cz. darn thing shot a 2 . Well heck hes prob./ a better shot than I am. Anyway Im pretty Stoked Only had 1 group of 32s so I gotta reload QUICK. By the way the CZ DEMANDS 32s also.
Well I finally got to the range Sat. The guy I got the gun from said it shot 1 " w 40s & In the 1s ???? w/32s Well it shot 1' w/ the 40s & W/ 32sw & un known powder built for my cz. darn thing shot a 2 . Well heck hes prob./ a better shot than I am. Anyway Im pretty Stoked Only had 1 group of 32s so I gotta reload QUICK. By the way the CZ DEMANDS 32s also.
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murphy
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To Any22
Keep up the good work,wil be interested to follow the progress of Your 204 Rugers.
Keep up the good work,wil be interested to follow the progress of Your 204 Rugers.