I want to talk about the 22ppc .100 a little bit.

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skeetlee

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Some of you may know that i have been shooting a 22ppc .100 short this winter and i am really enjoying it. My rifle is a BAT DS sitting in a terry Leonard stock with a Jackie Schmidt frozen Leupold with Gene Bucky's mount hart 14 twist barrel chambered by Dave Bruno with 52gr cheek bullets. I just wanted to share a little bit about what i am finding. Keep in mind this winter has been cold and all my shooting has been in this cold weather. I started out with 4198 at around 25gr and accuracy was good but not competitive. I then tried 322, benchmark and xterminator all with the same results as the 4198. I will say that the exterminator did show the most potential out of these powders. I finally went with N133 and here is were i am finding the most accuracy.
Here are a few things i am finding and i hope there are some other 22ppc .100 shooters here that can share and compare notes with me. That being the real reason i am wasting all your time with this post anyway. Ok, I am dropping 25.4gr of 07lot N133 with a velo of around 3420. No pressure signs at all, but i am curious if there is a velo range that these little 22's shoot best on average. Like Tony B says in his book. He likes his 6ppc to keep a velo of around 3300 (i think is what he said) So this makes me wonder if that holds true with this chambering? The rifle is shooting well but i still have a target or two that is popping a shot out of the group. Tony says that he gets some really good groups with a faster velocity but that he experiences tossed shots when running high velocity. I wonder if thats what is happening here? I am seating my bullets anywhere from .015 off full jam to .020 off full jam and everywhere in between. The funny thing is that i cant see a lick of difference through out this .005 seating difference. Not really sure what to think about this? Today i shot a teen agg with this rifle using 3 different loads. well, just different seating depths. Actually i have shot these same seating depths for a while now and like i said i cant find any difference.. I guess this is a good thing. I am however seeing a little vertical. My shooting buddy asked " how do you see any vertical with a teen agg?" and thats a pretty good question but there is a little bit to much i think. The weird thing is still the groups with a tossed shot in them.i think i can be real competitive with this set up if i can get this under control.
So i guess i am just curious as to what some of you other guys that are shooting the 22ppc short are finding? What velocity do you try to stay around, and what kind of seating depths are you using and what powder do you find works the best for you and your rifle? I really wanted to get away from N133 but the stuff is working, and that's what counts! I haven't tried my test lot of 8208 yet in this barrel but i will before to long. It has been to cold to reload at the range so that doesn't help matters much. We have our first match in two weeks and i hope the weather is decent enough to go. I think i can do well if i get this load fine tuned just a bit more. Sorry for the boring read that really doesn't have much of a point. I just love to talk shop and i am hoping some of the other 22ppc short guys will share. thanks lee
 
Lee-What seems to help is to post the targets with the development notes. A lot of times much is lost is the translation. I also record conditions each group was shot under.Humidity levels ( the air of late has been super-dry) mirage? (in winter this can be a bear)
I usually head out to most matches with a rig(s) tuned from practice the day before to kick some serious butt, only for it to go up in smoke.....that's BR. Hope you can glean something from your testing in trying conditions.
 
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Lee

I shot a 22PPC short for one season back in the 20th Century. Back then we called them a WaldoG. I think the cartridge is best summed up in one word - velocity. 3300 is a start. 3400 is better. 3500, now you're getting somewhere. I shot with some guys who went all the way to 3600 and they were shooting tiny dots. There are only a handful who still shoot them in Benchrest. Most of us decided that two different bullets, two powders, two cleaning rods, etc. wasn't worth it.

JMHO. Enjoy yours.

Ray
 
here is a pic of my target today and i will try to walk you through it the best i can.

target one- 25.4gr n133 17off = .190 with calipers (keep this in mind) velo 3220
target two- 25.4gr n133 20off = .230 notice the shot that went out the bottom. pretty sure i didnt miss the condition, but there was a head wind today so it is possible. velo 3430
target three- 25.4gr n133 14off =.145 decent looking group but i think it shows vertical velo 3407
target four 25gr n133 17off = .100. the hole to the far left was an accident. my fingers were numb and i didnt mean to pull the trigger as i was working the windage, so this group is actually a four shot group. looks pretty good but looks a little horizontal. probably wind, maybe the load being to slow, as this was .4gr less than 1,2 and 3.
target five- 25.0gr n133 20off = .176. notice the shot that goes out high. two of these targets have shots out of the group. maybe its me i just dont know. would have been a real good group otherwise. still a little horizontal though.
target six is just fouling and blowing out brass.

It really doesnt seem as if the seating depth is a real concern, at least to my rookie eyes. If you see otherwise please explain. Tomorrow i am going to work with the 25.4gr charge but with the 14off jam load as it really is the better looking group, even though i see a little vertical. I am just sharing with you my day, as i think some might find it interesting. thats all really. I like working these loads and finding what works and what doesnt. I learn a little each time i go. It is suppose to be a little nicer tomorrow so i hope to load at the range a bit. thanks lee

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I just fire-formed some brass today. Hope to shoot it with a new barrel tomorrow with Cheeks 52 grain. I will start with them jammed hard. I shot the .220 Russian for awhile and it shot best at 3650 to 3680 fps.
Supposed to be the same case capacity as the short 22PPC. I plan to try 27 to 28 grains of 133 (08) lot. Maybe alittle less to start.

I need to know what you are using for a fire-forming load if you don't mind.

Thanks.

GW
 
Yo Skeet,

Call 'em shots out the bottom or shots out the top, you've got vertical out the wazzz...... My first suggestion is to go UP :)

al
 
Skeet,
Why don't you give Mike Ratigan a call----I believe he champions a 22-100 short and does very well with it.

Keith in NC
 
Keith
I have talked with mike a couple times via email. Super nice guy!! Mike shoots a .070 short 22ppc and thats what he feels offers the best balance. He also shoots n133. I dont remember what bullets he likes but it seems to me they are unobtainable by someone like myself. Nothing wrong with the bullets and powder i am using either. What my situation boils down to, is the lack of experience in tuning loads to know what to try next. Not loading at the range over the winter doesn't help matters any either. Spring will be here soon. We have our first shoot in St Louis in 2 weeks and i am really trying to prepare myself for this shoot! I think i will be ok!
I like to talk, and i have been told that i like to talk to much. What can i say, certain things in life are just worth talking about, and benchrest shooting is one of those things!! I may give mike another shout out, but i need to figure this stuff out for myself really. I feel that is the best method for learning. I shot this morning with some higher powder charges, and the targets look pretty much the same. It is 15 degrees warmer today and i didnt take that into consideration, as yesterdays loads may have been a better choice for todays weather?? I got some of those " sideways groups today" with very little vertical, and i think i know what i need to do to eliminate this problem. ( watch the flags better) Actually i think my load was a little to flat, maybe i need to put a little vertical back into the load. I will try again this afternoon if the wife and kids dont have anything planned for the day. Thanks Fellas! Lee
 
skeetlee said:
Actually i think my load was a little to flat, maybe i need to put a little vertical back into the load.
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joke?

Or are you buying into that "big and round is better than dots....." stuff??

"Big and round" ain't THAT big and round! ;)

al
 
Lee. Some of us work on the weekend. Bragging like that ain't cool.
It was 45 up here today. But, we had to work.
I like to shoot if it's above 28-30 or so.
Give Bud Munday a call. He shoots a 22PPC of a sort. And he says, he does well at it. I was on Bud's bench at last years Super Shoot. He's been at it a long time.
Wait a minute you should know Bud. Do you shoot at St. Louis?????
 
yes sir i shoot at St Louis but last year was my first year doing so so i havent had the chance to meet Bud, i dont believe. I shoot as much as i possibly can and still keep balance on the home front with my family. We have a big warm up coming this week but i will be in the ditch at work making taps and line stops so i wont have another chance to shoot until next Saturday. The way my luck goes by Saturday the temps will be back down in the 20's! LOL!! I sure hope not though.
Al I dont know what to believe anymore really. I think the best thing i can do is just learn as i go. I can tell you this. When my loads were shooting really small looking holes today the wind sure did SEEM to move the group sideways more than what i have seen up until this point. I save all my targets in a 3 ring binder with all the info of the loads so i am seeing a pattern so i am pretty confident i am getting close. man i love this stuff!!!! Thanks fellas! Lee
Tim
do you have Buds phone number? I am sure i would enjoy visiting with him
 
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