Full Length die with a shoulder/neck bushing

alinwa said:
No, John can't do anything about your neck...... this is why I said you're stuck with it.
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I use a body die and a collet neck sizer.... . But it doesn't make sense from a FF case to work a neck clearance of less than what you say.... .003.
 
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alinwa said:
IF you're interested the 3rd of a 3-part video series just broke on my youtube channel in which I explain some of these items of WHY and HOW regarding sizing and fit

This was all recorded months ago and isn't in any way a 'response' to anything but it might help explain my view regarding fit of dies to chamber.

(In any event I do have many other vids on the subject)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsqHIvbkJAQ&t=1237s

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sounds good
 
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alinwa said:
No, John can't do anything about your neck...... this is why I said you're stuck with it.
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I am assuming the neck will not expand enough to have the proper clearance, been awhile since I measured a neck after fire forming. IF you want to explain, WHY I'm stuck with it, other than what I assume, then have at it, IF not then take care. You mentioned in your part 3 video about a neck not fitted to the chamber neck area expanding and the bullet is not firing into the barrel straight causing vibrations. What's the big deal about a factory chamber verses a custom chamber? I was told over the years, that they vary. If you lack charity with your knowledge then it means nothing to me.
 
Again..... I'm Sorry...... your PM's reminded me that we've been down this road before you and I

I tend to treat each day as a new discussion and oft forget old resentments.

I apologize for joining this discussion, please don't PM me any more
 
Sorry you feel that way Al.... I could learn something if you're willing to explain it. The 3rd part video you mentioned the neck expanding too much and the neck of the chamber not supporting the neck of the case and the bullet causing vibrations. Why would Whidden make dies to control that on a custom chamber but not a factory ? I think it's a legitimate question, don't you ?
 
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Butch Lambert said:
Gene I've posted my method before. I do what most do, but a little different. My brass grows in length with my method, so I measure my OAL first to make sure it doesn't grow longer than my FF chamber happens to be. I have a lot of old off brand "CCI" primers, seat them and put a heavy dose of Bullseye and a Playdough or clay plug to seal it off as I use no bullet. Yes a 220 Russian or 6BR unturned brass will chamber in a 6PPC or 30BR chamber without work. I fire and then pop the primers out without sizing. I trim to length and uniform the primer pocket and flash hole. Now it takes very little to expand the necks and no donut. Turn the necks and load your normal load and fire them in your rifle to test your zero and final form. I do 20 rounds for a weekend match. I do have a lot of i weekend fired PPC brass for cheap if anybody uses .262 necks.
Try it sometime"fireforming" without bullets.
Not mentioned much, but several shooters do this, that is chunk it after the weekend. When you shoot a very heavy load it really works your brass. I haven't priced an annealer, but I'll bet you can buy a lot of brass for what they sell for.
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Butch, I too fireform w/o bullet, in a machined 12 ga to 30BR sleeve in an old shotgun so I don’t mess with my comletiti9n barrel. I realized using K an M expander die was creating more of a runout that was never solved even after firing.
Question: you were mentioning chucking brass after a competition. Would you have any fired 30BR brass for sale ?
 
danyboy said:
Butch, I too fireform w/o bullet, in a machined 12 ga to 30BR sleeve in an old shotgun so I don’t mess with my comletiti9n barrel. I realized using K an M expander die was creating more of a runout that was never solved even after firing.
Question: you were mentioning chucking brass after a competition. Would you have any fired 30BR brass for sale ?
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I wish that I had them now. I sold my 6PPC-30BR switch barrel about a year ago. Chris got the dies, brass, and rifle. Yeah, I'm building another now.
Is shootsteady still around? I hope that he learned something and has other than a M70 for accuracy. Yes i have one and it shoots minute of deer, but not as accurate as my Remington's.
 
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