I only have two ppc rifles at the moment so i guess i never thought about mentioning the cal. Its one of the two 6ppc LV rifles i have. Me being a shotgunner for a lot of years i absolutely hate recoil. I have just had to much of it. If they made release triggers for rifle i would probably have one in my rifle. LOL!! In all seriousness i am going to try my hands at the 22ppc short simple because of the kick of those light 10.5 guns. I know the 6ppc doesnt kick bad, its just a condition i have developed over the years. I personally think the 22ppc short will be great!! I have a good friend here that hooking me up with a good barrel and another friend with a set of dies so it wont be a big investment. I recently sold all my rifles and started over with all BAT actions, and one Haverkamp. I will have my LV ppc with one back up a 30BR on a 3 lug and a 17LB dasher on a big Model b, and thats it. Yes i have tried them all as life is short and rifles are cool!!! I really enjoy this rifle buisness and i will be the first to admit i do get carried away, but what the heck, this is good clean fun, and i have met a lot of superhuman beings!! I love people ( well most people) and i love rifle shooting. Shooting is just about the only thing i have been fairly good at, and i simply enjoy you folks and my rifles. So i dont ever mean to be a bother fellas, i am just happy most days and i like to talk, thats all! And Mr smith you are correct, I have had 410, 28gr 20gr 16ga 12ga and one 10ga. I won with everyone of them two, well not the 10ga but i sure knocked a lot of ducks out of the sky with one! LOL!!! Shotgunning did get a little dry for me, i went just about as far as my ability would allow, and once you make master class, you are basically donating. I was pretty good at a state level but i couldnt compete with the pros that shoot everyday for a living. Rifles are more fun anyway, and there is a lot more things i can screw up, and ask questions about!! LOL!! Thanks fellas for the company!!! I hope everyone has a great week!! Lee