Disposing of Live Primers

Since we're all having fun with this primer thing and doing some speculating as to how they will go off and what kind of damage they will do, I'll add more of my first hand experience. I am still "wearing" a small rifle primer about 3" above my navel and too deep for the emergency room doctors to feel comfortable removing it. One Saturday afternoon I was in my basement preparing to anneal some 220 Beggs cases with a Giraud Annealer. If you aren't familiar with one, it uses a rack storage above a system that drops a single case onto a slide that rolls a case in front of a gas flame and drops it after a timer set number of seconds. I was adjusting the time and flame setting using some well worn cases that I believed to have all been fired and deprimed. I used one several times, checking with Tempilac for the right temperature. I decided that I had used one case enough and reached in the bag for a new one, placed it in the rack and allowed it to fall onto the moving slide. It completed the cycle in the flame and dropped into the cardboard box I was using to catch the annealed cases. In about 3 seconds there was a loud bang and I felt a blow to my stomach like someone had punched me. I had been sitting on a stool in front of the annealer and was about 12-15" away. I got up and walked over to turn on the light and when I walked back to the stool noticed red spots on the floor. Then I looked down at my denim shirt and saw the blood and the hole. The trip to the emergency room and a scan showed the primer in my stomach about 1/2" deep. I'm not exactly heavy, but like most guys over 70, I do have a layer of fat on my abdomen. The primer did not penetrate all the way, but was deep enough that the doctors thought it best to leave it. Of course, I'm much more careful now when using the annealer. I am proof that a primer set off with heat will penetrate flesh after passing through 1/4" of cardboard to a depth of 1/2" from a distance of 12-15". There was no powder in the case.

Rick
 
Primer cord

My dads relative lived on the edge of a small town. He had some cord that they used to set off an explosion in rock quarries I think they call it det cord now. Dad said it burned 5000 fps. or some outrageous speed. He wound it through the limbs on his apple tree. I think you had to cap it and fuse it. He said when it went off it sounded like a stick of dynamite. The neighbors came out of their houses saying what the hell was that. I dunno it came from over there. They said we better go back in the house. Needless to say he didn't have to prune the apple tree that winter. That was in the early 60s. Doug
 
Called fuse cord

Hooked to small cap stuck in stick of dyminate then set off called a fuse i set many with tractor battery
 
I haven’t noticed any special precautions to address the live primer issue, except for a scheduled trip to a neighborhood dump site.

I suppose that if they must be disposed of other than by their intended use one could put them on a piece of 2 x 4 and whack them with a hammer. Seems like some have an issue with disposing of them if they're still live.
 
I suppose that if they must be disposed of other than by their intended use one could put them on a piece of 2 x 4 and whack them with a hammer. Seems like some have an issue with disposing of them if they're still live.

OOOPS.... I can't let this one go. You triggered my inner HE Instructor........

THESE ARE NOT TOYS!!!!!

MAYBE This is specifically why threads like this are useful :)

But this one seems to be losing focus, rapidly!

Hitting a primer out in the open, or WORSE driving it into a piece of wood while hitting it will get you injured.

I say WILL altho you might get off scot-free once since't God suffers fools, but you WILL get hurt sooner rather than later.


In the same sense as "you'll put an eye out"

You won't be dead, but personally knowing 11 people who've lost eyeballs I have to ask WHY??? Why advocate reckless behaviour?
 
My dads relative lived on the edge of a small town. He had some cord that they used to set off an explosion in rock quarries I think they call it det cord now. Dad said it burned 5000 fps. or some outrageous speed. He wound it through the limbs on his apple tree. I think you had to cap it and fuse it. He said when it went off it sounded like a stick of dynamite. The neighbors came out of their houses saying what the hell was that. I dunno it came from over there. They said we better go back in the house. Needless to say he didn't have to prune the apple tree that winter. That was in the early 60s. Doug

Still works a treat. I once watched Daniel Tanner cut down a Christmas Tree with it. They still use it a lot in the rock pits here, we find the burn trails, and they use it to make hiking trails in the hills.....I _think_ they use 3/8" for making trails. I've handled it up to 1/4".

I just saw some last week 3/4" diameter!


gave me chills.....
 
OOOPS.... I can't let this one go. You triggered my inner HE Instructor........

THESE ARE NOT TOYS!!!!!

MAYBE This is specifically why threads like this are useful :)

But this one seems to be losing focus, rapidly!

Hitting a primer out in the open, or WORSE driving it into a piece of wood while hitting it will get you injured.

I say WILL altho you might get off scot-free once since't God suffers fools, but you WILL get hurt sooner rather than later.


In the same sense as "you'll put an eye out"

You won't be dead, but personally knowing 11 people who've lost eyeballs I have to ask WHY??? Why advocate reckless behaviour?


It was more TIC since the responder to my other post didn't seem enamored with the idea of discharging them in a safer situation. If one prefers that they be discharged before disposal then one doesn't have a lot of easy options esp. if one does not want to fire them in one's firearm. Or if you're close to a railroad you could lay them anvil side down on some railroad tracks.
 
............Or if you're close to a railroad you could lay them anvil side down on some railroad tracks.

And get billed 10,000.00 for stopping the train :)

Burning them is perfectly safe. The BC of a Federal 205 is .042, in other words anyone more than 10ft away is safe even from an extended burst :) We burn stuff BECAUSE it's safe. Ain't nobody closer than 10ft to the burn unless she's wikkid cah'm..... heat makes for safety as it drives everyone back to safety automatically

JUST like blasting caps, it's proximity which'll cause injury thanks to Our Friend, The Law Of Inverse Square
 
A peanut sat on a railroad track.

Its heart was all aflutter.

A train came roarin down the track.

Choo choo peanut butter.
 
Primers

I never had that many primers that i needed to dispose of. I just seat em in empty brass and fire em until they’re all disposed of. Quckest most expedient way I’ve found. The guy in charge of the agency armory shop had his own way of disposing of primers. I never asked.

Where are all the Vietnam Vets? We used Det cord to set off C-4. C-4 is harmless without some kind of detonator. We used C-4 in makeshift camp stoves to warm up C-rations. You may have to have a license/permit to buy the same det cord today. It is some very dangerous stuff. It reportedly travels at about 6000 M/S.




Glenn
 
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Safety First

I've shot off garbage bags of oxygen and acetylene. I wore ear plugs and had a large crane between myself and the blast. I used an electric cap. If someone was setting on one of these garbage bags, it might give them a vasectomy, but it for sure would blow out their ear drums. A large ball of fire and a concussion that could be felt a hundred yards away is how it works.

Even though alcohol was involved, I was more nervous messing with the garbage bags than when loading a shot at the quarry. You wouldn't need an ambulance if something went wrong at the quarry is the main difference.

For your viewing entertainment here is The Worlds Fastest Buick. I used to have a lot of fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUalpgfUVOM

Later
Dave
 
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I've shot off garbage bags of oxygen and acetylene. I wore ear plugs and had a large crane between myself and the blast. I used an electric cap. If someone was setting on one of these garbage bags, it might give them a vasectomy, but it for sure would blow out their ear drums. A large ball of fire and a concussion that could be felt a hundred yards away is how it works.

Even though alcohol was involved, I was more nervous messing with the garbage bags than when loading a shot at the quarry. You wouldn't need an ambulance if something went wrong at the quarry is the main difference.

For your viewing entertainment here is The Worlds Fastest Buick. I used to have a lot of fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUalpgfUVOM

Later
Dave

OK.... since you've been blowing S#!T up even longer than me, you might find this interesting :)

My friend Roger has the BEST way regarding oxy/acet. He made up 300ft of garden hose with wires inside. He tapes an empty bag on down-range, pumps the gas in from the shop, thru the hose, then plugs in the cord. POOOM!!! and no damage to the hose.

Which brings me to my cousin who shall remain unnamed as he's now got a profile to consider.

remember, "no damage to the hose"..... sometimes being closer to center may be safer on an oxy/acet blast.??? He was astraddle the bag, holding the nozzle in when the static got him. It LIFTED HIM 12-14ft into the air, he bounced off the wall above the shop door and landed on his feet. Walked away.

My only personal experience with being close to center I had my head down looking down an old Thermo-Quad while my buddy cranked 'er over..... "checking for fuel'..... burnt my eyebrows, fused me a really cool hairnet but I din't hear much noise other than the sound of my medulla rangggingg off the hood, and I mighta' grunted trying not to skewer my eyeball on the aircleaner stud on the bounceback.... guys watching all said it sounded like a shotgun

I know, I know..... but hey, God gives ya' one freeby right? For each KIND of stupid??? I will say that between me and my cousins we're on many catsworths of freebies.
 
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