AMMASHOOTA
Gary Gruber
Please don't give up. That is when they really win.
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Please don't give up. That is when they really win.
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mike in co
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to put things in perspective
"Edward A. Pollard (February 27, 1832–December 17, 1872) was an American journalist and Confederate advocate."
Hardly an unbiased wrtting.
"Edward A. Pollard (February 27, 1832–December 17, 1872) was an American journalist and Confederate advocate."
Hardly an unbiased wrtting.
Hunter
Chasin' the Sunset
Did you read the title of the book from which the writing was taken?
Bill Wynne
Active member
I think that one of the factors was hot headed politicians and rabble rousing newspapers. The cool heads did not prevail.
Jefferson, in his writings to John Adams about how to end slavery said years before, "It wakes me up like a fire bell in the night".
Sam Houston, here in Texas tried his best to avoid the split. He died before the war was over believing that all he had worked for was lost. He told his people, here in Texas, that he knew the people in the north and they were not as hot natured as the people in Texas because they lived in a colder climate but, if roused, they would fight hard and keep coming and there were more of them.
Stephen Douglas, the Democratic candidate, went south and tried to calm the war feelings down as soon as he knew that Lincoln has won the Republican nomination but to no avail.
Anyway, we had the Civil War and many people died. Reconstruction followed and hard feelings remained.
It is time we showed those yankees our class and pull down our Confederate flags on our own. The Civil War has been over for several generations or 150 years. We are all Americans now.
Jefferson, in his writings to John Adams about how to end slavery said years before, "It wakes me up like a fire bell in the night".
Sam Houston, here in Texas tried his best to avoid the split. He died before the war was over believing that all he had worked for was lost. He told his people, here in Texas, that he knew the people in the north and they were not as hot natured as the people in Texas because they lived in a colder climate but, if roused, they would fight hard and keep coming and there were more of them.
Stephen Douglas, the Democratic candidate, went south and tried to calm the war feelings down as soon as he knew that Lincoln has won the Republican nomination but to no avail.
Anyway, we had the Civil War and many people died. Reconstruction followed and hard feelings remained.
It is time we showed those yankees our class and pull down our Confederate flags on our own. The Civil War has been over for several generations or 150 years. We are all Americans now.
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mike in co
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i am just re-enforcing my OPINION that the "truth" will depend on the source of the information.
i am neither from the south , nor the north, but the west, and private schools.
there was never a hint of a two sided story in my early education.
i am neither from the south , nor the north, but the west, and private schools.
there was never a hint of a two sided story in my early education.
Tim Singleton
Member
It happened and there was a terrible loss of life. We shouldn't act like or be told to forget it happened.
I am a son of a confederate veteran. A lot of boys in the south in those days and now just couldn't abide someone stepping on what was then their legal right. As well as the basis of their economy.
I in no way agree with slavery it is an awful thing that man kind has been doing to their fellow man from the beginning.
I don't know if the abolishement of slavery in the U.S. could have came about without the war.
I do know God sets in place the government, he chooses who will govern to suit his purpose not ours.
Even Pharaoh surved a purpose
I am a son of a confederate veteran. A lot of boys in the south in those days and now just couldn't abide someone stepping on what was then their legal right. As well as the basis of their economy.
I in no way agree with slavery it is an awful thing that man kind has been doing to their fellow man from the beginning.
I don't know if the abolishement of slavery in the U.S. could have came about without the war.
I do know God sets in place the government, he chooses who will govern to suit his purpose not ours.
Even Pharaoh surved a purpose
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JerrySharrett
Senile Member
The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government......
--A Brief Overview of the American Civil War
A Defining Time in Our Nation's History
By Dr. James McPherson
Bill Wynne
Active member
Thank you, Tim
Well said, Tim. Let me add this nugget. The first Wynne in my family line settled on the James River near Hopewell, Virginia in about 1650. The James River in Virginia is where the first blacks were introduced in this country only they were called, at first, "indentured servants". Looking back, I cannot imagine a bigger mistake.
Well said, Tim. Let me add this nugget. The first Wynne in my family line settled on the James River near Hopewell, Virginia in about 1650. The James River in Virginia is where the first blacks were introduced in this country only they were called, at first, "indentured servants". Looking back, I cannot imagine a bigger mistake.
Hunter
Chasin' the Sunset
More background from the above-referenced book, at pages 31-32.
“The discussions of the Kansas question [1855-1858] had materially weakened the Union. The spirit of those discussions, and the result itself of the controversy, fairly indicated that the South could hardly expect, under any circumstances, the addition of another Slave State to the Union. The Southern mind was awakened…and men began to calculate the precise value of a Union which…had long governed their affections.
“Some of these calculations…soon commenced to interest the Southern people. It was demonstrated to them that their section had been used to contribute the bulk of the revenues of the Government; that the North derived forty to fifty millions of annual revenue from the South, through the operations of the tariff....
“These calculations of the commercial cost of the ‘glorious Union’ to the South, only presented the question in a single aspect….There were other aspects no less important and no less painful….The swollen and insolent power of Abolitionism threatened to carry every thing before it; and had already broken the vital principle of the Constitution -- that of the equality of its parts.”
As always, it seems that the love of money is/was the root cause of the problem.
“The discussions of the Kansas question [1855-1858] had materially weakened the Union. The spirit of those discussions, and the result itself of the controversy, fairly indicated that the South could hardly expect, under any circumstances, the addition of another Slave State to the Union. The Southern mind was awakened…and men began to calculate the precise value of a Union which…had long governed their affections.
“Some of these calculations…soon commenced to interest the Southern people. It was demonstrated to them that their section had been used to contribute the bulk of the revenues of the Government; that the North derived forty to fifty millions of annual revenue from the South, through the operations of the tariff....
“These calculations of the commercial cost of the ‘glorious Union’ to the South, only presented the question in a single aspect….There were other aspects no less important and no less painful….The swollen and insolent power of Abolitionism threatened to carry every thing before it; and had already broken the vital principle of the Constitution -- that of the equality of its parts.”
As always, it seems that the love of money is/was the root cause of the problem.
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vicvanb
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Exactly right--the South needs to concede that the North won the war.
Hunter
Chasin' the Sunset
I don't think the issue is which side won that war, the issue is which side is winning the current "wars" -- and it doesn't look good for those of us in the "right."
Hunter
Chasin' the Sunset
Here’s an interesting counter-view to the one in the above-referenced book; it comes from The Blue and The Gray, edited by Henry Steele Commager (copyright 1950, 1982 edition), at page 54, and was written by a Northern war correspondent in October, 1861.
“The War is a duty on the part of the North. It is not waged by abolitionists, it is not the result of abolitionism. We are not sure but that slavery is a very good thing in the Cotton states….There is a theory, that the Virginia and Kentucky gentry own slaves; this is false; I have seen for myself that the [Negores] own the gentry....[W]e are not fighting for the Negro's cause. Slavery has been the cause of the war in no sense other than that it has added another distinctness to the line betwixt North and South….The real cause of the War is a bitter and criminal hatred, entertained by the South against the North, and based on other than slave interests.
“For fifty years the character of Southerns has become daily more domineering, insolent, irrational, haughty, scornful of justice. They have so long cracked their whips over Negroes that they now assume a certain inherent right to crack them over white men; assume the positive rights of a superior race….
“For fifty years,...[t]he South, assisted by Northern merchants whom it has governed, has been true enough to the Union, so long as every election gave it the power, and as…presidents, etc. were held in its own hands. But the census of 1850 shewed that the enterprising and industrious North was getting the balance of power."
An interesting perspective.
“The War is a duty on the part of the North. It is not waged by abolitionists, it is not the result of abolitionism. We are not sure but that slavery is a very good thing in the Cotton states….There is a theory, that the Virginia and Kentucky gentry own slaves; this is false; I have seen for myself that the [Negores] own the gentry....[W]e are not fighting for the Negro's cause. Slavery has been the cause of the war in no sense other than that it has added another distinctness to the line betwixt North and South….The real cause of the War is a bitter and criminal hatred, entertained by the South against the North, and based on other than slave interests.
“For fifty years the character of Southerns has become daily more domineering, insolent, irrational, haughty, scornful of justice. They have so long cracked their whips over Negroes that they now assume a certain inherent right to crack them over white men; assume the positive rights of a superior race….
“For fifty years,...[t]he South, assisted by Northern merchants whom it has governed, has been true enough to the Union, so long as every election gave it the power, and as…presidents, etc. were held in its own hands. But the census of 1850 shewed that the enterprising and industrious North was getting the balance of power."
An interesting perspective.