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Denver Instruments MXX-123 Scale
- Thread starter Lynn
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mike in co
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lynn,
i bought direct from denver scales/denver inst..do a google seach for contact info.
they were bought out by another co, but supposedly were staying open.
mike in co
try 1800 321 1135 or 303 431 7255
i put mine on a pc of granite...12 x 18 x 3
on sale at enco...waited for free shipping.
i bought direct from denver scales/denver inst..do a google seach for contact info.
they were bought out by another co, but supposedly were staying open.
mike in co
try 1800 321 1135 or 303 431 7255
i put mine on a pc of granite...12 x 18 x 3
on sale at enco...waited for free shipping.
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Centerfire
Member
Lynn, If you would like a scale like the MXX-123 look at the www.affordablescales.com and check out the Adam Equipment HCB123. It comes with a battery for use anywhere.
I really like mine.
Centerfire
I really like mine.
Centerfire
As Centerfire just suggested go to Affordable Scales they also have the Acculab VIC-123 which the Denver 123 is a clone of . The Adam Equipment scale sounds interesting but I have never used one but can say the Acculab VIC-123 works nicely and the dust cover is a nice feature. The cover comes standard with the Acculab but not the Denver Instruments 123.
Rodney
Rodney
Mike in Co
Denver Instruments is out of them as well.It also looks like they are being discontinued and the Accu-Lad 123 is taking its place.They tell you to call Sinclairs but they are out of both scales.
Centerfire
Is it a durable scale in your opinion as my father and I will both be using it and we are Extremely hard on equipment.
We shoot benchrest but handle our equipment like it is tactical.We don't do this deliberately it just seems to happen alot and I would prefer to spend an extra $1000 and get a tough set-up rather than replace one every other year if possible.I liked the video on the website as it looks like that scale could suffer a drop off the bench and still work.
Rodney
The same question on the Accu-Lab.Is it a durable scale in your opinion? I don't want to paint a bad picture here but we tend to suffer from some disease were our gear always looks like it was drug behind the pick-up on its way to the match.We take care of it but for some reason it is always falling over or being dropped or stepped on.
Lynn aka Waterboy
Denver Instruments is out of them as well.It also looks like they are being discontinued and the Accu-Lad 123 is taking its place.They tell you to call Sinclairs but they are out of both scales.
Centerfire
Is it a durable scale in your opinion as my father and I will both be using it and we are Extremely hard on equipment.
We shoot benchrest but handle our equipment like it is tactical.We don't do this deliberately it just seems to happen alot and I would prefer to spend an extra $1000 and get a tough set-up rather than replace one every other year if possible.I liked the video on the website as it looks like that scale could suffer a drop off the bench and still work.
Rodney
The same question on the Accu-Lab.Is it a durable scale in your opinion? I don't want to paint a bad picture here but we tend to suffer from some disease were our gear always looks like it was drug behind the pick-up on its way to the match.We take care of it but for some reason it is always falling over or being dropped or stepped on.
Lynn aka Waterboy
Lynn,
The Acculab is no more durable than the Denver Instruments and I would not use them anywhere that there are drafts, vibrations, fluorescent lighting or other electronics being used. Tactical they are not and I have owned both and usually like to keep them powered on all the time as they seem to require a "warm up" period after being powered up. I also use a battery backup/surge protector to filter power and protect from surges or low voltage.
Centerfire has tweaked my interest in the Adam Equipment HCB 123 scale as it is listed as a grain scale on the Affordable Scale site and I know what kind of environment a feed mill is .
Rodney
The Acculab is no more durable than the Denver Instruments and I would not use them anywhere that there are drafts, vibrations, fluorescent lighting or other electronics being used. Tactical they are not and I have owned both and usually like to keep them powered on all the time as they seem to require a "warm up" period after being powered up. I also use a battery backup/surge protector to filter power and protect from surges or low voltage.
Centerfire has tweaked my interest in the Adam Equipment HCB 123 scale as it is listed as a grain scale on the Affordable Scale site and I know what kind of environment a feed mill is .
Rodney
I have to agree re the indoors/always on part. These are wicked sensitive. I keep mine in a donut container, seriously, go down to your restaurant supply store and get one of those things you lift the clear plastic lid off and grab a donut.
Put it on a table.
Leave it there.
I'm kinda' anal (they say) but mine sets on its own table, the outsidecorner table of THREE isolated tables butted together. Kondofa' table a trois as it were...... the sizing press is on one table, the scale is on another, and the seater is on another.
I can get all sorts of ham-handed and never the twain shall meet.
Nor bump
rawther a boring trois, but stable.
al
Put it on a table.
Leave it there.
I'm kinda' anal (they say) but mine sets on its own table, the outsidecorner table of THREE isolated tables butted together. Kondofa' table a trois as it were...... the sizing press is on one table, the scale is on another, and the seater is on another.
I can get all sorts of ham-handed and never the twain shall meet.
Nor bump
rawther a boring trois, but stable.
al
OK, I woke up early 'cause my feet hurt, and I gt to be irreverent.
For all of you weighing powder to the individual kernel: Don't use Reloader powders. They get their burn rate by having some large kernels, some small ones.
I can just see it. "OK, I need one more kernel of powder to get charge weight to .01 grains. Do I add a small one, which will burn a bit faster, or a large one, a bit slower? Do I favor weight, or burn rate? Oh, doctor . . ."
Same with a couple of jugs of VV N-560 I've used. Now the N-550 was much more even . . .
Maybe a property of double-base powders, I don't know. So, why use DB powders? The shoot so damn good. They seem less fussy about pressure regions. Maybe the solution is to buy 100 pounds, sift it all for even size, test each sift for actual burn rate, and then weigh charges to the individual kernel.
Anyone compulsive enough to test this?
So, maybe a RCBS Chargemaster is good enough for range use. Zero before throwing each charge, and lift the pan & recheck the weight with each one thrown. What I do at the range for powder testing, anyway. When I get a charge that shoots really good, I throw about 5 in a film can to take home & weigh on the DI Mk IV, to confirm weight.
Also, Jim Borden pointed out that charges thrown in one temp/humidity can vary from those thrown in another. This by using velocity as the decision factor. Throw one on day one to get velocity of, say, 3,000 fps. Reload a different day to that same MV of 3,000 fps. Oops. Different measure setting, and different weights to get the same MV.
So what really counts is Standard Deviation on MV? Well, yes and no. That gets you the same time in bore for all the bullets, so tuning the load for vertical should no longer be a factor. But equal MV was never all there was to tuning.
Here's another sort-of-secret: Dave Tooley throws all his charges for long-range BR. How come he's got over 70 lifetime Long Range Marksman points -- he doesn't make all the matches, too many other interests. Maybe it's an East Coast thing.
Everybody seen that "First Barrel" thread?
For all of you weighing powder to the individual kernel: Don't use Reloader powders. They get their burn rate by having some large kernels, some small ones.
I can just see it. "OK, I need one more kernel of powder to get charge weight to .01 grains. Do I add a small one, which will burn a bit faster, or a large one, a bit slower? Do I favor weight, or burn rate? Oh, doctor . . ."
Same with a couple of jugs of VV N-560 I've used. Now the N-550 was much more even . . .
Maybe a property of double-base powders, I don't know. So, why use DB powders? The shoot so damn good. They seem less fussy about pressure regions. Maybe the solution is to buy 100 pounds, sift it all for even size, test each sift for actual burn rate, and then weigh charges to the individual kernel.
Anyone compulsive enough to test this?
So, maybe a RCBS Chargemaster is good enough for range use. Zero before throwing each charge, and lift the pan & recheck the weight with each one thrown. What I do at the range for powder testing, anyway. When I get a charge that shoots really good, I throw about 5 in a film can to take home & weigh on the DI Mk IV, to confirm weight.
Also, Jim Borden pointed out that charges thrown in one temp/humidity can vary from those thrown in another. This by using velocity as the decision factor. Throw one on day one to get velocity of, say, 3,000 fps. Reload a different day to that same MV of 3,000 fps. Oops. Different measure setting, and different weights to get the same MV.
So what really counts is Standard Deviation on MV? Well, yes and no. That gets you the same time in bore for all the bullets, so tuning the load for vertical should no longer be a factor. But equal MV was never all there was to tuning.
Here's another sort-of-secret: Dave Tooley throws all his charges for long-range BR. How come he's got over 70 lifetime Long Range Marksman points -- he doesn't make all the matches, too many other interests. Maybe it's an East Coast thing.
Everybody seen that "First Barrel" thread?
Charles E
I have access to a $4500 Mettler analytical scale on a $2000 granite table that you push a button and the glass doors open and then close again to get an accurate reading.I am not interested in that type of scale.
My father is 75 years old and uses a balance beam scale to weigh each charge.Every once in a great while one of his bullets bounces downrange to the target so I thought we could get him a nice digital display to read instead of him having to squint while weighing his charges then we could weigh his loaded rounds.
In the past weighing the loaded rounds has worked well for finding any errors.
Waterboy
I have access to a $4500 Mettler analytical scale on a $2000 granite table that you push a button and the glass doors open and then close again to get an accurate reading.I am not interested in that type of scale.
My father is 75 years old and uses a balance beam scale to weigh each charge.Every once in a great while one of his bullets bounces downrange to the target so I thought we could get him a nice digital display to read instead of him having to squint while weighing his charges then we could weigh his loaded rounds.
In the past weighing the loaded rounds has worked well for finding any errors.
Waterboy
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mike in co
Guest
sorry to hear about the lack of availability. to use in the field, you would need asolid table, a wind proof enclosure and a controoled power source. if only at home, i leave mine on, in a room with no duct outlets, and the granite base.
just read the specs before you buy..... accuracy and sensitivity
mike in co
just read the specs before you buy..... accuracy and sensitivity
mike in co
Centerfire
Member
Lynn I would look at the Dillon scale. I have used one for 5 years at the range and for .x accuracy it is good. Don't know about dropping it though.
The HCB 123 can be moved but I keep mine down the basement. It is a .xx Gn scale and will weigh a kernel of powder.
I think you might like the RCBS measure and scale for the various activities you and your dad participate in.
A lot of shooters are using them at BR shoots.
Centerfire
The HCB 123 can be moved but I keep mine down the basement. It is a .xx Gn scale and will weigh a kernel of powder.
I think you might like the RCBS measure and scale for the various activities you and your dad participate in.
A lot of shooters are using them at BR shoots.
Centerfire
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mike in co
Guest
its actually a 0.02 scale with 0.03 sensitivity.
i would pass on the dillon..i have one.
if it is to just get a digital for him to read..the rcbs combo has a big following. if you are happy with the current beam scales(plus or minus 0.1) then the rcbs should do.
mike
i would pass on the dillon..i have one.
if it is to just get a digital for him to read..the rcbs combo has a big following. if you are happy with the current beam scales(plus or minus 0.1) then the rcbs should do.
mike
Lynn I would look at the Dillon scale. I have used one for 5 years at the range and for .x accuracy it is good. Don't know about dropping it though.
The HCB 123 can be moved but I keep mine down the basement. It is a .xx Gn scale and will weigh a kernel of powder.
I think you might like the RCBS measure and scale for the various activities you and your dad participate in.
A lot of shooters are using them at BR shoots.
Centerfire