Bad lot of Bergers??
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4Mesh
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I guess the part I bolded should have been bolded the first time. Since there seems to be confusion, I'll "translate" this, and add a few extra thoughts.
First. IFFF you bought the bullets at a brick-n-mortar, then shame on you for accepting 3 different lots.
Second, IFFFF you bought them mail order, they why not tell everyone where they came from so they know where NOT to buy bullets.
In other words, WHY did you get 3 different lots? No, that won't change how consistent a particular lot might be, but it's a much better place to start in bullet sorting. My personal preference was always to buy 2500-3000 of the SAME LOT (and I specified as much to the vendor), then begin sorting.
Exactly....the bullets themselves were not bad...I seperated them to .001 bearing serface, and no box of 50 had more that .002 differance in bearing serface......the rest went into PRACTICE AMMO for whoever.......I DID NOT give them to my kid to shoot (ALF
) in the match.Also I havn't decided on which bullet I am going to shoot...the 108 BT's shoot darn good also...I baught a box of 500 of those along with the THREE BOXES of 105 VLD-H WITH THREE DIFFERENT LOT NUMBERS (god I am getting tired of saying that). If I knew that the 105 vld bergers were "the one" I would have baught in bulk...if the 105 vld-H was offered in a 500 count box I would have baught that...but they don't...so I got THREE BOXES OF 105 VLD-H WIT.........well you know where I am going.....
Now, for the life of me I can't figure out why WHERE I baught them matters...but if you must know,,,it was Sinclare...I spend THOUSANDS a year with them, for many years now, and will continue to do so. As far as I am concerned, they are the best in the biz, and had I been smart enough to ask for three boxes of a single lot # they would have dug around and done it for me. I guess I am just not that smart!!
Now, as far as mixing bullets by lot #.....if they weigh the same, have been sorted by bearing serface to .001, and I have had a long, heartfelt talk with each and every bullet to be sure that they are willing to give their all for the cause....what is wrong with mixing lot #'s?
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4Mesh
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For those looking quickly, and actually reading the thread title, it's easy to see where they might be confused.
It matters cause now those who read this know they need to specify that they want the same lot number when ordering, or to expect they may not get all the same. It would be nice to be able to assume anyone who sells bullets would know this ahead of time, but this thread is a good example for the saying, "You know what assume means". There are other places where you would buy that you would never need to say this.Now, for the life of me I can't figure out why WHERE I baught them matters...but if you must know,,,it was Sinclare...I spend THOUSANDS a year with them, for many years now, and will continue to do so. As far as I am concerned, they are the best in the biz, and had I been smart enough to ask for three boxes of a single lot # they would have dug around and done it for me. I guess I am just not that smart!!
Because, it is a good possibility that if the bullets are of different lots, they came from different dies. This could easily mean a diameter variation, variation in shape somewhere not being checked, different lot of jackets (thickness), etc. Whatever the reason, when you see a change in lot number, it means that something in the manufacturing process was changed and it is considered important enough to warrant a change in lot number. We may never know what the change is. But, if I go out and shoot a target and it comes back with 2 groups, there is one very good possibility it is because I ignored a warning the bullet maker took the time to print on the box. . Might not be, but, who knows... The name of the game is dot the i's and cross the t's. Lot number is important. Same as lots of powder. Would you go change cans of powder and load 1/2 your record string with one and one with the other? Yea, it's supposed to be the same stuff, but guess what... People have had a powder lot change actually change the way the gun shoots as a whole, much less use two different in one set of ammo.
keithcandler
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I hope next time you want to bash Berger, you will contact Eric first.
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Danny Reever
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I soft seat my bullets using a .001 neck bushing, seating the bullet a little long and letting the rifles bolt do the final seating. This way it does not matter if the bearing length is a little different from one bullet to another. Using this method I have yet to see any difference in grouping.
If I had bashed Berger, you would KNOW it, because I would have said that Berger sucks, I am never buying Berger again, and that we should all boycott Berger bullets forever. I didn't....not even close!!
As far as lot numbers....I NEVER EXPECT to get the same lot numbers.....that is why I called myself stupid for forgetting to ask for the same lot #'S. Several times as a matter of fact. I have ordered bullets for years and asked for the same lot numbers and ALWAYS GOT THEM, except for once. That time Sinclare called me up and explained that they only had 18 boxes of the same lot instead of the 20 I had ordered.
I'm thinkin it is about time to pull the plug here!!
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