Bad lot of Bergers??

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Tod Soeby

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I decided to buy another 300 Berger 6mm 105 vld-H to finish up load development on my new dasher. I wanted to make sure they were going to be "the one" before buying a LARGE quanity. Silly me forgot to ask for all the same lot number!!!!

I use the Bill Shehane system and measure ojive to ojive....bearing serface if you like. I usualy grab 5 bullets and find my "zero". Then I throw them back in the box and start over. This box (Lot # 3045) was all over hell ... -14 to + 4 ....I had bullets all over my table. I kept going....they were the worst by far that I have ever seen. I left my zero and went into the second and third box. They were ALL between -8 and -12.....a total of 4 (.004) for all 200 (lot #'s 3221 and 3082). I would consider them VERY GOOD!! But that first batch.........WOW.

Just doing a little venting.......I am loading these up for my son...a future member of "SEAL TEAM SIX"...he is 12 and will be shooting my new dasher for match 3, 4, 5, and 6 1K at Harris this weekend. I figured I would give him a fighting chance by spending some time with his ammo and gun.
 
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Tod: You don't give your son the bad bullets, you shot them. I always gave Kathy the best of what ever I was shooting. I'm the tester! Just keep buying more bullet, you may get enough to at least fire form brass and do some testing. I got some 30 cal.VLD. that were 15 thou. shorter than the last lot# but as long as you keep them all the same length, they should be alright but keep an eye on your over all lenght.

Joe Salt
 
I guess I don't consider the bullets themself bad. The first lot went right in with the second and third. I seperated in .001 incruments. like I said...all of the bullets from box 2 and three were within .004. There were also some from the first box that measured up the same as box two and three. I seperated my loads into boxes of 50, so there wasn't anymore than .002 total varience in each box...they should shoot fine.

I am just glad I didn't get 3000 of the "bad lot"!! I still haven't figured out why they are not offered in 500 count boxes.:confused:
 
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The talk at several IBS long range matches is about how screwed up Berger is right now. A lot of people have had various problems with thier bullets. Perhaps they should get the bullets they already have been making more consistent rather than making even more different bullets. I don't see how they can keep up with all the many different bullets they make anyway, and this seems to be the case at this time anyhow. Having to send bullets back that aren't right just doesn't cut it when you are trying to get ready for a match in a short season of shooting. Serious shooters won't put up with much of this stuff. And if the people at Berger don't like the type of comments I have just made, well there is a quick fix for that. JUST MAKE CONSISTENT BULLETS OF AN ALREADY GOOD DESIGN. Robert Mallory
 
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It amazes me that this thread is still up.
Usually any bad publicity or comments about an advertiser gets yanked really fast.
You are right about short seasons and shouldnt be having these problems with the prices we pay for custom items. No matter who they are.
 
Yes Vern Like OBAMA said, Prices will necessarily ski rocket. Yes the good old days I could not afford anything then either! I'd like them to just send me there junk bullets I'd sort them out.

Joe Salt
 
Tod Soeby and All,

We at Berger Bullet stand behind our quality. The observation you have made is obviously outside our tolerances. I would like an opportunity to review these bullets and resolve the situation to your complete satisfaction. All you need to do is contact Teresa Collins at 714-447-5456 or at teresa.collins@bergerbullets.com. We will of course make sure that you end up with bullets you are happy with and that we will review the bullets to understand what you found.

Creeker and trouble,

I would encourage anyone to let us know if they are having problems with our bullets. It has been consistent throughout our history that if a problem exists we make it right. If we are not made aware of issues we have no way to determine whether the bullet is the cause and how to fix it.

Regards,
Eric
 
I can't see how all the Berger bullets are bad becuase i think almost all the records in the last 2 years were broke by Berger bullets. I see a lot of good groups shot with there bullets. I think you have to Know how to sort them and know how to change the seating depth when the bearing length changes. Matt Kline
 
dkhunt go back and read the post. He didnt say they were all bad nor has anyone else.
As I remember it he said 1 box out of the 3 he had were bad.
I had a box of another makers bullets that the bottom of the box had realllly ragged meplats last year.
But the next box of 1k was fine.
 
Eric Stecker said:
Tod Soeby and All,

We at Berger Bullet stand behind our quality. The observation you have made is obviously outside our tolerances. I would like an opportunity to review these bullets and resolve the situation to your complete satisfaction. All you need to do is contact Teresa Collins at 714-447-5456 or at teresa.collins@bergerbullets.com. We will of course make sure that you end up with bullets you are happy with and that we will review the bullets to understand what you found.

Creeker and trouble,

I would encourage anyone to let us know if they are having problems with our bullets. It has been consistent throughout our history that if a problem exists we make it right. If we are not made aware of issues we have no way to determine whether the bullet is the cause and how to fix it.

Regards,
Eric
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To late for that. I mixed all of the bullets together. Like I said..the first box measured from +004 to -014 (that is a twenty thou spred in bearing serface). I left my original "zero" for the next two boxes. The second and third box were ALL at -.009, .010, .011 and -.012...four thou spred between the 200....which again, was exceptional. I probably had 20 or so from the first box that fell into that -.009 to -.012 catigory, and they got mixed in and loaded into match ammo. The rest will be loaded into practice ammo for Friday. Like I said, I am going to have my 12 year old start shooting, and we can practice with the rest of the bullets.

I in no way am bashing Berger...It is all I shoot. It was just a heads up to anyone who had any boxes of the new hunting 105 vld of that lot # to check their bullets. Heck, the others might be fine. Maybe someone along the line droped my box on the floor and some of the bullets got slightly squished, which would definatly change how they measure up in Shehane's setup.

Also, not to hyjac my own thread, but,.... whycome can't we buy the hunting bullets in 500 count boxes??

Again....I LOVE BERGER BULLETS. And they are a manufactured item....things can and do go wrong......trust me. Just hang around a New car dealership around the time that P M S N B C has a "special" about some new "defect" in xyz's new car......and the ensuing saftey recall!!!!
 
Like I said in my first post, use the ones that are the same length and you shouldn't have any problems. But I would like to ask ERIC this question? What determines Ogive to Ogive, is it the sizing lube or lack of it that determines the length and diameter? Because what I have found is the longer the bullet the thinner. Meaning they go through my bushing easier.

Joe Salt
 
Eric Stecker said:
Tod Soeby and All,

We at Berger Bullet stand behind our quality. The observation you have made is obviously outside our tolerances. I would like an opportunity to review these bullets and resolve the situation to your complete satisfaction. All you need to do is contact Teresa Collins at 714-447-5456 or at teresa.collins@bergerbullets.com. We will of course make sure that you end up with bullets you are happy with and that we will review the bullets to understand what you found.

Creeker and trouble,

I would encourage anyone to let us know if they are having problems with our bullets. It has been consistent throughout our history that if a problem exists we make it right. If we are not made aware of issues we have no way to determine whether the bullet is the cause and how to fix it.

Regards,
Eric
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Thanks Eric. I'll put the word out at White Horse & Harry Jones. OK guys give him a chance. He answered & the thread is still here.
God Bless............Creeker
 
There was a time when in order to be remotely competitive you had to do a bunch of bullet sorting. It was just part of the shooting game. .020 differences in bullet lengths wasn't uncommon, regardless of brand. The very top shooters of today appear to me to be the ones doing the most work to get there, still. That includes bullet sorting.

Much like I've said in the past that I think information sharing is in some cases, detrimental to the sport. To a degree, so too is the fact that we now have a bullet maker making such high quality bullets, they are chastised if they send out ones requiring any work at all.

When the day comes that there is no more work required on the part of the shooter to win, the sport will die. Much like hunting is very little fun for those of us with such an equipment advantage over the prey that we've given up, the same is true for competitive shooting. Remember how you used to enjoy hunting back in the days where you actually thought about the possibility of missing? Now we have to get farther away to add any excitement at all. Making bullets shoot that are not the biological clones of each other adds a degree of satisfaction to what you do. Especially, if your like some of the posters above who do it really well.
 
So you mixed different lots together and now your bitching about. Hmm!! Why in the world did you mix your bullets up to begin with? Seems like a waste of time here to me. Better luck next time i guess!! Lee
 
Everyone should reread the original post CAREFULLY.
The bullets in question were out of one specific box. He bought 2 more of a different lot but they are not in question.
"This box (Lot # 3045) was all over hell ... -14 to + 4 ....I had bullets all over my table"
SINGLE BOX variance.
Berger makes great bullets but sometimes things happen.
 
First off i did read the post and i don't understand if he bought 300 bullets, how did he get 3 different lot numbers. I don't know how everybody sorts their bullets but i don't put different lot numbers together. If they change lot numbers it means a different batch. That means somethings different or at least could be. Matt
 
i have dealt with eric before and any issues i had were resolved . i be willing to bet he would take those bullets back mixed up or not . T.R.
 
dk hunt 14 said:
First off i did read the post and i don't understand if he bought 300 bullets, how did he get 3 different lot numbers. I don't know how everybody sorts their bullets but i don't put different lot numbers together. If they change lot numbers it means a different batch. That means somethings different or at least could be. Matt
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Matt,
When you buy 300 bullets, you get THREE BOXES OF BULLETS.....ALL THREE WERE DIFFERNT LOT NUMBERS....HOW FRIGGEN SIMPLE IS THAT CONCEPT TO GRASP!!!! You are right ......differnt lot #s means that something could be "different.....THAT'S WHY I MEASURE AND WEIGH MY BULLETS.....ANOTHER SEEMINGLY SIMPLE CONCEPT YOU OVERLOOKED!!!

Skeetlee,

Read, then re-read my original post and subsequent replys.......Pretty simple reading....and only a couple hundred words.....shouldn't take you more than 1/2 hour to muttle through... Simple stuff!!
 
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