AK47, can it really be this acurate?

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This friend of mine kept telling me his AK 47 would shoot inside 2 inches at 200 yards (only gun he owns), I would just smile and say "sure it will".
Well the other day I was setting up a target on my 300 yd range when he happened to drop by, I just automatically said go get your gun and lets see what it can do.

From a bench, using a locally made rifle rest and rear sand bags he shot a 5 shot group of a little under 3 inches! Then he said, I'm settled down now and shot another group of 5 shots that measured right at 2 1/8 inches!

It is a AK 47 that he took the stock off and put some sort of after market military type stock on it. Everything else is pure stock!

Question: Do good AK's generally shoot this well? It floored the hell out of me. I did not shoot it and I know nothing about these type of weapons.

Changeling
 
This is very likely an extremely RARE exception for an AK.
2-3" at 100 yds would be pretty good for most of these. What type ammo was used? Most use something like Wolf or military surplus rather than say Federal or Black Hills from a quality/consistancy standpoint - IMO.
 
there are many ways this could happen

1:your buddy has connected to his only gun at a freakish level and knows where the bullets are going to spray.

2: he was using a higher quality ammo

3: his gun has aftermarket parts in it that he doesnt know about

4: the gun has been warmed over and trued in some way

5: or he just happend to get a good shooter. you know how it is. some rifles will just plain shoot better than the one off the line before or after it.

6: he sold his soul to the devil

im leaning toward #6 hahaha

but yeah like 505gibbs said for these rifles averaging 2-3" at 100 yards is above average
 
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what optics?

what country of origin?

what wind conditions?

how? :eek: and, why? :confused: and, prove it? :D

Maybe the 1000yd guys shouldnt be wasting their time with those silly bolt guns.
 
I had an SKS which would shoot 2" groups. It had one of the first B Square rear cover scope bases. I had a cheek piece on it to raise my line of sight to the scope. Some guy saw how well it shot and gave me stupid money for it. I never replaced it.
 
I'm well aware of what it normally takes to get a rifle (bolt action) to shoot well, but I have "0" experience with semi autos other than 10/22 rugers. I asked the question becaues I didn't know what a AK would normally group at. He has a Leupold scope on it. Thats all I really know other than he mentioned once he had ordered a 1000 rounds from somewhere and was bitching about the price.
Some interesting comments from you guys.
 
Given the ballistics of that cartridge, do you have any idea how much drop there would be at 300 yds? I mean, LOTS.

Years ago my son bought a MAK 90, which is just a name for a Chinese made AK 47. When we took it to the range, it shot MAYBE 2-1/2 inches at 50 yds, at best, but it was all over the paper at 100 yds -- probably not even better than 8 or 10 inch groups. Probably the cheap surplus ammunition was part of this sorry performance.

My son had restocked his also, with a mail order "drop in" stock.

For what you say to be possible, the friend of yours had to have better sights than the crude iron sights of the original. Even with the best barrel in the world, with those primitive, crude sights such as on an AK, it would be nigh impossible to hold true enough to shoot under 1 MOA at 300 yds. And even advocates of the AK would never pretend these rifles were anywhere near their best at that range.

The whole thing stretches credulity.

Has anyone ever heard of anyone sporterizing one of these rifles? I'd love to know. Or has anyone used a good workshop to try to work up an accurate load for one?

I thought they were just spray and pray.
 
Montana Pete said:
Has anyone ever heard of anyone sporterizing one of these rifles?
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Valmet makes/made a commercial sporter & I believe that there was a similar rifle available to Russian hunters before the CCCP disintegrated - but that's not exactly or entirely what you're asking.
 
Not the norm for most AK's
Was it the standard 7.62x39 cal or one of the other two .223 and 5.45x39mm.
Some have milled receivers and some are stamped. There are some made with longer barrels like the MAK90 NHM.
NHM if im not mistaken is for national heavy match.
I would like more info if you can get it?
 
AK47s

In the original caliber, brand new (of whoever's make) and with good military ammo are capable of about 6" at 100 meters - no better in my experience. SKS average is ca. 4" or a bit more.
Under 3" with any AK variant at 200 yards/meters is definitely into 'show me' territory - I can't believe it based on considerable experience.
mhb - Mike
 
The only AK I ever saw shot on a target did about what mhb said, and the guy who was shooting it was on the WA State NG rifle team and a good shooter. A 1.5 MOA AK at 200 yds strikes me as an exceptional gun. The only other 7.62x39 I ever saw being fired on a target was one of the old Ruger stainless - synthetic 77's shooting handloads and it was not very good either.

The 123± gr bullets used in them don't have a great BC so long range shooting is likely pretty entertaining with them without knowing the exact range and ballistics.
 
it is an absolute oddity for an AK (regardless of who made it) to shoot that well. even the sniper rifles based on the AK design typically do not shoot that well. if the rifle actually does as well as you say it did, it is a freak.
 
AK accuracy

lefty o said:
it is an absolute oddity for an AK (regardless of who made it) to shoot that well. even the sniper rifles based on the AK design typically do not shoot that well. if the rifle actually does as well as you say it did, it is a freak.
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Not only a freak but something to hold on. The AK's claim to fame is they are cheap to produce and dead nuts reliable but not very accurate. Of course accuracy for a military type assault weapon differs greatly from accuracy levels discussed on this site.


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