A specific Sporter scope - would you buy it?

[PedroS]

Thanks a lot for your insights.
Please keep them coming

Couple of clarifications...
Yes it will be parallax adjustable, but not OA, and fixed power won't be possible, as we are going (?) to use an already available model, which will have reticle and turrets changed at factory, becoming a specific sporter model.

Around 456g is the greatest issue then. I understand your needs, and not wanting to change things, here we have the same weight limit, but we use lighter stocks. I have a couple of your fantastic sporter rifles, and yes, with the origin stock is much harder to accommodate a heavier scope.

Our desire is simple... bring (?) to the market a reliable scope with exceptional optics, with all the whistles and bells, that can be used by even old eyes.
It won't be cheap, but again, quality comes with a price.

The manufacturer we are dealing with is, as said, a top one, having already scope models with the needed power range.

 

[MaxxPower]

No frey, not really that desirable. I just looked up the FX3's specs on Leuplod's website, and they are not good with consideration of the current conversation here. Parallax is set at 150yds and not adjustable. Those posting here in the states shoot competition at 50yds and 50 meters. Weight is excellent, but the reticle is really not compatible with what true rimfire benchrest competitors are looking for. Also, even though I have the same issue with my VX3i being the adjustments are 1/4" instead of 1/8", I can live with the adjustments, but not the reticle and lack of adjustable focus all together. Especially with a scope that the MFG says has 150yd fixed parallax.

You are talking apples to oranges in this conversation. While I am sure your FX3 scope is great for whatever you use it for, it does not meet the criteria of what a good/excellent rimfire Sporter competition scope should be.

Scott

Scott,

This scope came in 5 flavors and if you didn't know what to order you got a scope that really is worthless for 50 yard/50 meter benchrest.

BUT, one of the five came (#66825) with a Target Dot reticle, focused down to 50 yards and had adjustable AO. When I switched from my crooked Stith stock to an excellent Pippin stock in 2015 I had to replace my 6-20 scope because of weight and that's the one that's been on my sporter ever since.

As far as the 1-inch vs 30mm tube you know I think that's an advantage and essentially make it even smaller with my lens caps with holes. I think a brighter Sporter scope is a disadvantage. We're seeing almost all white on a 6x view and I'm convinced that a really bright scope adds eye strain over the course of a match. Clarity still has to be excellent but brightness not so much. I know I'm in the minority on this but that's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Leupold really made no effort to distinguish these models and one had to be careful when ordering. I got lucky and spoke with someone in their Custom Shop who alerted me that the scope I originally wsa going to order wasn't going to work for me.

If Frey has the model #66825 they are in fact desirable and I'd recommend them to anyone.

 

[MaxxPower]

Dear Sporter shooters,

We (Ricardo and myself) are dealing with a top scope manufacturer to see the possibility to bring to market a dedicated Sporter scope.

Specifications:

Tube - 30mm
Weight - 590g
Clicks - 1/8 MOA
Crosshair reticle with 1/8 MOA dot

let us know your thoughts.

Thanks

Pedro,

I'll probably be in the minority here but for me 30mm tube is less desirable than 1 inch. See post above.

Going to 1 inch would save some weight... don't know how much... but is always an issue.

 

[tim]

Pedro,

I'll probably be in the minority here but for me 30mm tube is less desirable than 1 inch. See post above.

Going to 1 inch would save some weight... don't know how much... but is always an issue.

IMHO have to disagree Bruce, for a lot of older shooters. Understand your system, brightness probably secondary, but much less eye strain for lots of older guys.
That and I think you'd agree that the SINGLE most critical function is absolute POI stability. IN CFBR I think it has been shown the 30mm system has been better in this regard.

 

[tim]

Thanks a lot for your insights.
Please keep them coming

Couple of clarifications...
Yes it will be parallax adjustable, but not OA, and fixed power won't be possible, as we are going (?) to use an already available model, which will have reticle and turrets changed at factory, becoming a specific sporter model.

Around 456g is the greatest issue then. I understand your needs, and not wanting to change things, here we have the same weight limit, but we use lighter stocks. I have a couple of your fantastic sporter rifles, and yes, with the origin stock is much harder to accommodate a heavier scope.

Our desire is simple... bring (?) to the market a reliable scope with exceptional optics, with all the whistles and bells, that can be used by even old eyes.
It won't be cheap, but again, quality comes with a price.

The manufacturer we are dealing with is, as said, a top one, having already scope models with the needed power range.

Don't know which rifles you may have, PedroS, but the current 3 piece laminated sported stocks here, many with paulownia/balsa cores are as light as you can get them and stay stable.
I was under the impression that EU sporters max is 8.5 lbs.

 

[PedroS]

I was under the impression that EU sporters max is 8.5 lbs.

That's right, never been good on weight converting...

 

[tim]

I have had it confirmed Deon Optics [March] will convert any reticle. I also know they will give you a dot anywhere from 1/16",1/8", 3/16" with a fine X hair.
I have sent a request as to price/turn around and will put up what I'm told.

 

[Steve Kostanich]

Fixed 6X scopes

While I don't shoot 22 BR anymore, I still have 2 Burris Minis, 2 Lyman 6x, and 2 Weaver KT-6's.

They may not be on a par with todays scopes, but were fairly light, had adj. objectives. and fine X-hairs and dots.

Why no mention of them here, even though they are out of production?

FWIW

SteveKostanich

 

[tim]

While I don't shoot 22 BR anymore, I still have 2 Burris Minis, 2 Lyman 6x, and 2 Weaver KT-6's.

They may not be on a par with todays scopes, but were fairly light, had adj. objectives. and fine X-hairs and dots.

Why no mention of them here, even though they are out of production?

FWIW

SteveKostanich

Because many of them, you simply cannot get all the parallax out. Too many hard 9’s .

 

[PedroS]

I have had it confirmed Deon Optics [March] will convert any reticle. I also know they will give you a dot anywhere from 1/16",1/8", 3/16" with a fine X hair.
I have sent a request as to price/turn around and will put up what I'm told.

The issue is not the reticle on March, because they can change it, it's the click adjustment. On the lighter ones they only offer 1/4 MOA...
Our goal is 1/8 MOA

 

[doclu60]

The issue is not the reticle on March, because they can change it, it's the click adjustment. On the lighter ones they only offer 1/4 MOA...
Our goal is 1/8 MOA

Good goal, my Leupold has 1/4 clicks. I can deal with it, but it's not optimal.

Scott

 

[doclu60]

Scott,

This scope came in 5 flavors and if you didn't know what to order you got a scope that really is worthless for 50 yard/50 meter benchrest.

BUT, one of the five came (#66825) with a Target Dot reticle, focused down to 50 yards and had adjustable AO. When I switched from my crooked Stith stock to an excellent Pippin stock in 2015 I had to replace my 6-20 scope because of weight and that's the one that's been on my sporter ever since.

If Frey has the model #66825 they are in fact desirable and I'd recommend them to anyone.

Bruce,
Thanks for the clarification. Almost everyday I learn something new about the game! Also, as we spoke at the first 'Iorn Man' tournament, eye strain is an issue when the bright lights of Kettlefoot are stared at through a 6X scope for 7 consecutive cards! My right eyeball was burned out that day for sure.

Regards.......Scott

 

[tim]

The issue is not the reticle on March, because they can change it, it's the click adjustment. On the lighter ones they only offer 1/4 MOA...
Our goal is 1/8 MOA

Yes, in a perfect world however since we usually shoot in variable winds a slight amount of hold off during a target is often the norm. For all of those other potential benefits I don’t think it is a huge liability.

 

[PedroS]

Thanks again for your inputs.

The most relevant and the most complex to accomplish is well registered and we have started to try to achieve it.
It will take longer than expected, but hope is still there...

Of course I'm talking about total weight...

 

[tim]

Thanks again for your inputs.

The most relevant and the most complex to accomplish is well registered and we have started to try to achieve it.
It will take longer than expected, but hope is still there...

Of course I'm talking about total weight...

Sounds great PedroS, thank you for your efforts.

 

[doclu60]

Sounds great PedroS, thank you for your efforts.

Absolutely agree with the above. Happy this may come to bare.

Scott