6X47 Remington Loading Questions

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Hank

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I'm starting to load for this caliber after being out of precision shooting for a while. I will be using Rem 222 Magnum brass that has already been sized to 6mm. The rifle is an older sleeved Rem 700 built by Clyde and Paul Hart. I do not know whether the barrel is original or a replacement. Considering what I have to work with:

1. Would you ream and turn the necks?

2. Is there a preferred brand of bullet or weight for 100 yard shooting?

3. I'm using Hornady New Dimension dies now; would a set of LE Wilson in-line dies be worth the investment?

4. Other than H322 and N133, what powder would be suitable?

I realize the questions cannot be answered with absolute certainty. I'm looking for some input to get me started in the right direction. I don't want to over-invest in things I can't use for other calibers but I want to give the rifle (and me) a chance.
 
Hank said:
I'm starting to load for this caliber after being out of precision shooting for a while. I will be using Rem 222 Magnum brass that has already been sized to 6mm. The rifle is an older sleeved Rem 700 built by Clyde and Paul Hart. I do not know whether the barrel is original or a replacement. Considering what I have to work with:

Clyde built my first Benchrest Rifle.

1. Would you ream and turn the necks?

That would depend on the neck size. Find out the neck size, if it is say .262 although if I remember correctly the neck size was normally about .265. No problem because I know some of the "old" shooters will jump in here and correct that. So if it is .265 I would think your finished neck with loaded round should be about 263

2. Is there a preferred brand of bullet or weight for 100 yard shooting?

68grs max, but again if memory serves me they shot excellent with 62gr.

3. I'm using Hornady New Dimension dies now; would a set of LE Wilson in-line dies be worth the investment?

While LE Wilson makes some of the best dies I thing it would depend on how long you plan to shoot this cartridge.

4. Other than H322 and N133, what powder would be suitable?

4895, 4895, 4895

I realize the questions cannot be answered with absolute certainty. I'm looking for some input to get me started in the right direction. I don't want to over-invest in things I can't use for other calibers but I want to give the rifle (and me) a chance.
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I just had a 6X47T built a couple of years ago and it had the same problems that the 6X47 are noted for. 1 day you go out and point the rifle in 5 different places 90 degrees apart and they go in 1 hole. Next day you can't get 2 bullets to touch. Have fun because that is what it is all about.

If you have problems getting brass remember that the .204 is just about the same case, just a tad shorter. I used nickel plated 6X47 Federal brass, Rem .222 mag brass, and the .204.
 
6X 47 remington, good case'' factory loads from Remington used IMR 4895 and H 4895. 26 to 26.5 grs were on my test target from Remington.
One shooter FRank James used IMR 4198 and h 4198. He worked up loads starting with 23grs of powder with a Detsch 68 gr bullet. Frank shot some records at the time that held for quite a while back then. Frank also used 65 gr bullets and also 60 gr Sierra bullets Lit up by remington 7 1/2 primers cases were remington and federal match.
Its a pretty good case loaded properly I hope this helped . Have fun''
 
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W748 is the traditional powder for the Remington version of this round (as opposed to the 6.5x47 Lapua necked down). I bought a 40XBR in 6x47 and it came with load data for that powder. It also came with cases that were turned to .010 neck thickness and some Wilson dies. I haven't had time to do a chamber cast so I can't say if the neck turning was essential, but I doubt it as it's a factory barrel. I have not yet tried W748. The rap on that one is extreme temperature sensitivity. I have recently read some articles that say this is not true. Go figure. I tried Ramshot TAC and H322, but not extensively. They did OK but I think I have a firing pin problem which needs work before I get best results. Otherwise, this is a nifty little rifle with a superb factory barrel.
 
Hank said:
I'm starting to load for this caliber after being out of precision shooting for a while. I will be using Rem 222 Magnum brass that has already been sized to 6mm. The rifle is an older sleeved Rem 700 built by Clyde and Paul Hart. I do not know whether the barrel is original or a replacement. Considering what I have to work with:

1. Would you ream and turn the necks?

2. Is there a preferred brand of bullet or weight for 100 yard shooting?

3. I'm using Hornady New Dimension dies now; would a set of LE Wilson in-line dies be worth the investment?

4. Other than H322 and N133, what powder would be suitable?

I realize the questions cannot be answered with absolute certainty. I'm looking for some input to get me started in the right direction. I don't want to over-invest in things I can't use for other calibers but I want to give the rifle (and me) a chance.
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Hank,
To answer some of your questions we need more info about the rifle. Is the barrel marked with the neck Diameter? Do you know the twist?
You might want to have a chamber cast made. You most likely will want to turn necks. You might want to weigh your brass and sort it out.
Any good BR bullet that works in a 6PPC will work in your rifle.
Start with some powders you might have on hand. Benchmark is a good all round powder that works in many of my rifles.
I don't think you need Wilson dies. What you have will work fine. Check your runout and if it is good go for it.
Also, measure your max seating depth. I assume you know how to do this. Start at just touching and go from there. Be sure to work your loads up carefully.
My first BR rifle was a Hart built 6x47 and have always had one. Still have two 40XBR's in this chamber.
If you need more help you might give me a PM and I can help you as you become more familiar with your rifle.
Good shooting and have fun with this great round.
 
Hank,
Hate to sound like a broken record, but the first thing you will have to do will be to determine the chamber neck diameter. Back then things were not as standardized as they are today. As Mr. Gammon stated it could be .262-.265 etc. Buy some cerosafe ( I think I spelled it right) from Brownell. Read the instructions an make a chamber cast. That way you will know exactly where you stand and then you can start worrying about other things.
 
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Hank,
Hate to sound like a broken record, but the first thing you will have to do will be to determine the chamber neck diameter. Back then things were not as standardized as they are today. As Mr. Gammon stated it could be .262-.265 etc. Buy some cerosafe ( I think I spelled it right) from Brownell. Read the instructions an make a chamber cast. That way you will know exactly where you stand and then you can start worrying about other things.
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I'm working on that, Martin. I just can't remember where I put my cerrosafe. I'll find it sooner or later and make a casing. I agree that without it, I'm just wishing and hoping with the loading changes I make.
 
I have a .223 bolt face LV rifle and a Bartlein barrel blank. Perhaps I could have a reamer made to see what this chambering is all about. I've read time and again that it is finicky and wonder why. Pretty fascinating, internal ballistics that is. Take two cases of the same capacity, 6MM PPC and 6x47R and differing results? Sounds like case quality might be a factor but also the fact that guys used W748 for the 6x47 and we now know to use 133-322 class powders for PPC.

For a real peek into 1981 a guy could build a 6x47 and load it with IMR 3031 and seat 62gr FB bullets. I got some early 62gr Bergers I've been hanging onto for a play gun...
 
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