30br vs 6ppc

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I witnessed a couple of groups Jackie Schmidt scored today at the Tomball Gun Club. Jackie broke in a new Kreieger 1-18 twist barrel trying to tame the kick of the mighty 30BR (10.5lb) with no success. :) He did rip off two screamers early in the afternoon. Both were big zeros or very small ones. Jackie is planning on competing with his new 30br at the next registared match at Midland. Stay tuned!!! :D

Maybe Jackie will chime in and add more details......

is he shooting freerecoil.
 
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Well, I am putting a serious effort into it. And yeh, I know I am no Hall of Fame Shooter. But then, neither are 99 percent of all BR Shooters who win on a regular basis at The Region Level.

I was at the range today with the new 1-18 twist Krieger I put on my LV-Sporter.

After I broke it in, the first group, right out of the gate, was a nice "mid one". I then backed that up with a flat "zero". This was with the exact same load I shot at New Braunfels.

Like many shooters, I thought this "thirty thing" was all smoke and mirrows. But then, I started fooling around with them. I would not be putting such an effort into this whole project if I did not think the things were deadly accurate.

And, of course, I know the difference between accuracy and agging capability. I have won enough Two Gun Championships to know what it takes to keep a Rifle going for the entire week end. Does the 30 have it. I am going to find out.

I get tired of that old "but (fill in the blank), doesn't shoot one". I don't care. I am having a good time, and I am very interested in finding out just how competitive a 30 can be at the highest level.

True, a fine tuned 6PPC is a sight to behold. But, the key is 'fine tuned'.

If the 6PPC is the end all, then why, at any major BR event, are the aggs into the "threes" not too far down the page. Granted, there are always good shooting PPC's, but for every good one at a match, there is a whole truck load of those stuck in mediocrity.

Oh, and for what it's worth, my 10.5 lb Rifle shoots just as well as the 13.5 lb. It just takes a little getting used to. I do shoot free recoil, I am in the proccess of refining exactly how much I let the Rifle's butt touch my shoulder as I get ready to fire..........jackie
 
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Well, I am putting a serious effort into it. And yeh, I know I am no Hall of Fame Shooter. But then, neither are 99 percent of all BR Shooters who win on a regular basis at The Region Level.

I was at the range today with the new 1-18 twist Krieger I put on my LV-Sporter.

After I broke it in, the first group, right out of the gate, was a nice "mid one". I then backed that up with a flat "zero". This was with the exact same load I shot at New Braunfels.

Like many shooters, I thought this "thirty thing" was all smoke and mirrows. But then, I started fooling around with them. I would not be putting such an effort into this whole project if I did not think the things were deadly accurate.

And, of course, I know the difference between accuracy and agging capability. I have won enough Two Gun Championships to know what it takes to keep a Rifle going for the entire week end. Does the 30 have it. I am going to find out.

I get tired of that old "but (fill in the blank), doesn't shoot one". I don't care. I am having a good time, and I am very interested in finding out just how competitive a 30 can be at the highest level.

True, a fine tuned 6PPC is a sight to behold. But, the key is 'fine tuned'.

If the 6PPC is the end all, then why, at any major BR event, are the aggs into the "threes" not too far down the page. Granted, there are always good shooting PPC's, but for every good one at a match, there is a whole truck load of those stuck in mediocrity.

Oh, and for what it's worth, my 10.5 lb Rifle shoots just as well as the 13.5 lb. It just takes a little getting used to..........jackie


jackie

i agree with the who shoots who shoots that thing. im the type of person that i want what every it takes to win. guys are saying that the recoil is had to control so why wouldnt one pin the gun aginst the front stop? i with ya on keeping a ppc in tune, if they were as forgiving you wouldnt see shooters changing loads every match. i want a gun that will shoot the same load day in a day out!
 
Chris

There is no doubt that the 30BR, and the 30PPC, are an extremely accurate chamberings. By that, I mean you can sit down at the bench, and shoot very small groups. By small, I mean "zeros".

But, do keep in mind that there are a lot of chamberings that will do this. Sitting down, taking your time, and shooting small groups is not the same thing as shooting competitive aggs under match conditions.

I think it all comes down to a given combinations ability to maintain a competitive tune throughout an entire event. Many shooters who win on a regular basis have found a 6PPC Combination that will do this. Many times, anything that distrupts this combination will bid ill tidings to the shooter.

The 30BR combination that has grown so popular, (slow twist, light short bullets, and 4198), does seem to be one of those magic formulas that has an uncanny ability to stay in tune, and stack one bullet on top of another.

But, untill someone starts placing high on a regular basis in Registered Competition with one, the jury will be out.

It is my opinion that the 30 just doesn't have to be "as good as" what is being used now, it will have to be better. that is a tall order........jackie
 
Jackie...

There is no doubt that the 30BR, and the 30PPC, are an extremely accurate chamberings. By that, I mean you can sit down at the bench, and shoot very small groups. By small, I mean "zeros".

But, do keep in mind that there are a lot of chamberings that will do this. Sitting down, taking your time, and shooting small groups is not the same thing as shooting competitive aggs under match conditions.

I think it all comes down to a given combinations ability to maintain a competitive tune throughout an entire event. Many shooters who win on a regular basis have found a 6PPC Combination that will do this. Many times, anything that distrupts this combination will bid ill tidings to the shooter.

The 30BR combination that has grown so popular, (slow twist, light short bullets, and 4198), does seem to be one of those magic formulas that has an uncanny ability to stay in tune, and stack one bullet on top of another.

But, untill someone starts placing high on a regular basis in Registered Competition with one, the jury will be out.

It is my opinion that the 30 just doesn't have to be "as good as" what is being used now, it will have to be better. that is a tall order........jackie

that "being better" just may be the tune variable, as you've noted. There have been some very high placements here on the East coast by some group/score combo shooters in IBS group matches...but not on a "regular" basis since some shoot more score than group.

If you decide to shoot a .30 competitevely it will be interesting to see the results. A friend seduced me into the 3050-3100 fps range a while ago. I've gone back to the mid 2900's (like I was shooting 8-10 years ago) and watch the flags really carefully. Good luck, keep us posted. --Greg
 
30 br

I agree with Jacky for group shooting the 30 BR not only needs to be as accurat as a 6PPC but more accurate. Why absorbe the extra recoil and extra cost og bullets if it is only as accurate as 6PPC.
 
Me too

I decided HOT loads were not the best thing after inadvertently finding a great load for one of my rifles. When I cronoed it the screne said 2960. I subsequently dropped 2.5g on another of my rifles with great results. There are always trade offs, ain't there?
 
The 30 BR will work but you have to be willing to deal with the added cost and recoil. I had a 10.5 LV 30BR and it shot great after I learned to shoot it. A question for Hal D why would you take a piece of equipment to the Super Shoot that you did not have confidence in?
 
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