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tpende
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i was unable to find it on google, but does anyone know the record for the smallest group ever at 1000yds? im talking with anything short of a railgun or a .50 cal im guessing its with a 6mm pmc
1000 Yard World Record
1000 Yard World Record
4.2" for TEN shots with a 6mm BR
http://www.6mmbr.com/page/page/1309618.htm
1000 Yard World Record
4.2" for TEN shots with a 6mm BR
http://www.6mmbr.com/page/page/1309618.htm
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Cheechako
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Those LR records are very elusive. I believe that the current 10 shot is under 4" and the 5 shot is a tad under 1.5".
tp
It may surprise you to learn that the 50 BMG cannot compete with the smaller calibers at 1000 yards. And there are no such thing as LR rail guns used in competition - yet.
Ray
tp
It may surprise you to learn that the 50 BMG cannot compete with the smaller calibers at 1000 yards. And there are no such thing as LR rail guns used in competition - yet.
Ray
No, the 10-shot WORLD RECORD, as opposed to the NBRSA record, is 3.151 inches, shot by John Voneida, at the Original Pennsylvania 1000 Yard Benchrest Club. He was using a .30-caliber rifle. There are a fair number of 9-shot groups that rivaled this, again usually with a .30, and one in the 2-inch region, fired in practice at the 2005 IBS Nationals in Iowa. But practice don't count.
Just as with short range, the .30s shoot every bit as accurately as the 6mms given the right bullets, and those 70+ pound rifles make the recoil manageable.
In case you think these are "specialized" rifles, well, they are, but people do hunt groundhogs with them, so they're used more for hunting than short-range benchrest rifles.
The 5-shot group has been coming down in recent years, There was one under 2 inches by a .30, then a bit smaller with a 6.5, and I don't know the current record. That one would belong to either IBS or NBRSA, as Pennsylvania doesn't shoot 5-shot groups.
Just as with short range, the .30s shoot every bit as accurately as the 6mms given the right bullets, and those 70+ pound rifles make the recoil manageable.
In case you think these are "specialized" rifles, well, they are, but people do hunt groundhogs with them, so they're used more for hunting than short-range benchrest rifles.
The 5-shot group has been coming down in recent years, There was one under 2 inches by a .30, then a bit smaller with a 6.5, and I don't know the current record. That one would belong to either IBS or NBRSA, as Pennsylvania doesn't shoot 5-shot groups.
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hecksf
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tpende
I am just curious, why didn't you ask on the 1000 yard board about a 1000 yard record? Also what is a 6mm pmc?
ted
I am just curious, why didn't you ask on the 1000 yard board about a 1000 yard record? Also what is a 6mm pmc?
ted
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Cheechako
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Charles
That's what I meant when I said that the records are "elusive". Not that they are hard to shoot (they are) but that it's hard to keep track of what is current and who shot it with what.
The 5-shot under 1.5" is just about the same in IBS and NBRSA. 1.4xx" something or other. 10 shot IBS is under 4 inches while 10 shot NBRSA is a little over 4 inches. Sounds like the PA 10 shot is the smallest for a 10 shot group. But that's understandable considering that the wind never blows at the PA mtaches.
Ray
That's what I meant when I said that the records are "elusive". Not that they are hard to shoot (they are) but that it's hard to keep track of what is current and who shot it with what.
The 5-shot under 1.5" is just about the same in IBS and NBRSA. 1.4xx" something or other. 10 shot IBS is under 4 inches while 10 shot NBRSA is a little over 4 inches. Sounds like the PA 10 shot is the smallest for a 10 shot group. But that's understandable considering that the wind never blows at the PA mtaches.
Ray
John Kielly
Shari's fan club
He's only been on board a week or two.
I'm guessing that like many of us, he's needing time to find out that on this board you haff to ask your questions in the correct forum!!
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hecksf
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He's only been on board a week or two.
I'm guessing that like many of us, he's needing time to find out that on this board you haff to ask your questions in the correct forum!!
Well John I can sure appreciate you sticking up for a guy.
But I was really trying to ask a real question. I don't really understand why guys won't post questions about 1000 yard shooting on the 1000 yard board. Is it hard to find or is the name not descriptive enough? IF the moderator new why this happened he could fix the problem and guys could get answers from the subject matter experts a bit quicker.
Ted
Ray, They're not *that* hard to find . . . I looked them up. Of course, the web sites may be about as accurate as equipment lists in match reports . . . Witness the NBRSA listing of the 10-shot group.
IBS
5-shot group 1.397, by Tom Sarver
10-shot group 3.395, by P. Bowers
NBRSA
5 shot group 1.473, by Bill Schraeder
10-shot group is listed below, but the NBRSA web page lists Dave Tooley with a 4.322
What is impressive to me isn't so much the single-group records, but the aggregates. That's really different. At Pennsylvania & in IBS, there are 6-match & 10-match aggregates. The 10-match aggregate is every match for a year. You not only have to make every match for a year, but you don't get to throw any out. NBRSA is different, they shoot aggregates at every match, and some largish aggregates at the nationals. Apples & tangerines.
Ted: Moderator's don't move posts. We're here mainly do delete spam, and to caution people who break the rules, and I guess remove posts that blatently break the rules. Only Wilbur & maybe Elmer move posts. Far as that goes, I've deleted about 4-5 spam messages, (2 with virus attached), and made maybe 2 cautions. Never deleted a legitimate post.
IBS
5-shot group 1.397, by Tom Sarver
10-shot group 3.395, by P. Bowers
NBRSA
5 shot group 1.473, by Bill Schraeder
10-shot group is listed below, but the NBRSA web page lists Dave Tooley with a 4.322
What is impressive to me isn't so much the single-group records, but the aggregates. That's really different. At Pennsylvania & in IBS, there are 6-match & 10-match aggregates. The 10-match aggregate is every match for a year. You not only have to make every match for a year, but you don't get to throw any out. NBRSA is different, they shoot aggregates at every match, and some largish aggregates at the nationals. Apples & tangerines.
Ted: Moderator's don't move posts. We're here mainly do delete spam, and to caution people who break the rules, and I guess remove posts that blatently break the rules. Only Wilbur & maybe Elmer move posts. Far as that goes, I've deleted about 4-5 spam messages, (2 with virus attached), and made maybe 2 cautions. Never deleted a legitimate post.
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hecksf
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I wasn't thinking about it being moved. I wondered what was wrong with the web site that would seem to discourage posters from going to the 1000 yard board for questions about 1000 yard shooting.
The thought of moving the post never crossed my mind.
I guess I should have said 'Web Site Designer' instead of moderator.
Never for an instance did it cross my mind to insinuate that the post would or should be moved.
My question was just what I typed.
"But I was really trying to ask a real question. I don't really understand why guys won't post questions about 1000 yard shooting on the 1000 yard board. Is it hard to find or is the name not descriptive enough? IF the moderator new why this happened he could fix the problem and guys could get answers from the subject matter experts a bit quicker."
If it was known WHY people come to this forum INSTEAD of going to the 1000 yard forum for questions about 1000 yard Benchrest then the problem could be fixed (not move the post). Thus people with questions about 1000 yard Bench Rest would automatically go to the 1000 yard board and post their question were said question would be read by the 1000 yard SME's.
Once again I in no way whatsoever had in my mind for the post to be moved but wanted to find out why 1000 yard shooters come to this forum when 2 lines down is a forum titled "
600 / 1000 Yard Benchrest
Long Range Competition and Related topics"
It was a question for the poster, not a request to move the post.
Ted
PS you guys seem to misunderstand me worse than my wife. I know there is a common denominator here but I can't buy my finger on it.
PPS that is some amazing shooting.
The thought of moving the post never crossed my mind.
I guess I should have said 'Web Site Designer' instead of moderator.
Never for an instance did it cross my mind to insinuate that the post would or should be moved.
My question was just what I typed.
"But I was really trying to ask a real question. I don't really understand why guys won't post questions about 1000 yard shooting on the 1000 yard board. Is it hard to find or is the name not descriptive enough? IF the moderator new why this happened he could fix the problem and guys could get answers from the subject matter experts a bit quicker."
If it was known WHY people come to this forum INSTEAD of going to the 1000 yard forum for questions about 1000 yard Benchrest then the problem could be fixed (not move the post). Thus people with questions about 1000 yard Bench Rest would automatically go to the 1000 yard board and post their question were said question would be read by the 1000 yard SME's.
Once again I in no way whatsoever had in my mind for the post to be moved but wanted to find out why 1000 yard shooters come to this forum when 2 lines down is a forum titled "
600 / 1000 Yard Benchrest
Long Range Competition and Related topics"
It was a question for the poster, not a request to move the post.
Ted
PS you guys seem to misunderstand me worse than my wife. I know there is a common denominator here but I can't buy my finger on it.
PPS that is some amazing shooting.
Don Nielson
New member
Charles E
Curious about what you mean, "10 shot group listed below" as the Offical 10 shot NBRSA HG group is 4.322 by Dave Tooley. Don Nielson NBRSA Measuring Committee Chairman.
Curious about what you mean, "10 shot group listed below" as the Offical 10 shot NBRSA HG group is 4.322 by Dave Tooley. Don Nielson NBRSA Measuring Committee Chairman.
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Steve Shelp
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FYI:
Here is a link that Phil Bower has setup with a very comprehensive listing of all 10 shot 1000yd groups fired at any club under any sanctioning body. We have submitted pictures of these groups when available with the info of the rifle, caliber, etc etc if available.
These are some awsome groups! witnessed some of them and referreed at the match when Phil shot his IBS record target.
anyway... in case you have never checked this page out. Phil does a great job for the PA 1000yd Club's webpage.
http://www.pa1000yard.com/info-hist/threesclub.php
Steve
Here is a link that Phil Bower has setup with a very comprehensive listing of all 10 shot 1000yd groups fired at any club under any sanctioning body. We have submitted pictures of these groups when available with the info of the rifle, caliber, etc etc if available.
These are some awsome groups! witnessed some of them and referreed at the match when Phil shot his IBS record target.
anyway... in case you have never checked this page out. Phil does a great job for the PA 1000yd Club's webpage.
http://www.pa1000yard.com/info-hist/threesclub.php
Steve
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tpende
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my mistake, sorry about that. i would have but i didnt know it existed until now.
a 1.4XX 5 shot at a 1000yds! thats insane! i was guessing around 4. isnt it kinda odd that the light class .50 has the tightest grouping. that woman must be made of stone haha
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Cheechako
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tp
You don't wanna mess with those 50 BMG ladies. Ever. Lynn is a tough guy and can take care of himself but even he knows how to say "Yes Maam" and "No Maam".
Ray
You don't wanna mess with those 50 BMG ladies. Ever.
Lynn is a tough guy and can take care of himself but even he knows how to say "Yes Maam" and "No Maam".Ray
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Post number 2 in this thread is refers to a 4.2 inch group as a new record (IBS & Pennsylvania have been smaller than that for years). But if you go to the NBRSA web site & go to records, it shows Dave Tooley's group as the record. . . . Unless I've hashed thing up again . . .
Charles
Ahh, I did hash it up. The group in post No. 2 was a Pennsylania Light Gun (10-shots). Why somebody listed it as THE world record is beyond me, but I should have followed the link mentioned & checked. Sorry about that, chief.
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Steve Shelp
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Lynn,
I checked out the site and pics and not all pics have them. When I submitted the pictures from the IBS I tried to include the equipment listing with them. So if you look at Mike McNeil's, Ed Caldwell's, Shannon Lowman's, etc etc targets from the Hawks Ridge NC club you should see the equipment listed underneath the actual target pic.
Steve
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Con Cross
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Mr. Hecksf, in your own words please tell us why would you be so stressed?
Mr. Hecksf would you believe, that here it's like the Communism and nobody can't slip from the straight line.
Con