1000 yard gun

Mudcat: In your post #5 on this thread, you said:

Just got back fom shooting in south Tx in 20-25 mph winds and it only pushed the bullet 5-feet at 1000. Nailing 12inch x 18inch plates, but I was driving the gun correctly. Basically no wind affect at all until I got past 400.
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I went ahead and ran the numbers, using the published B.C. of the 123 Scenar of .542, which seems a trifle optimistic. But never mind. With that B.C. and a MV of 2,870, in a 20 mph wind, drift at 400 yards (crosswind) is 20 inches, or 1.66 feet. Drift at 1,000 yards is 153.5 inches, or 12.79 feet.

A fair difference from the your original claim.
 
ok i want to get a gun that will be shooting 308 bullets thought that would be the best bullet to learn how to reload with and what not but what custom action should i go with i was thinking viper i want to use a tube gun stock i was i was not sure which brand to go with for the action and tubegun if u could help with any of my questions thanks
 
No Disrespect, BUT....

you can run your numbers all day long. It is what it was. NF Ballsitic Calc put it at 141-inches. My buddy was shooting a 308 and he was 15-feet out. I was only 5-ft with my 260. We were shooting off the tower at RO in a PR1 class.
 
and for clarification.....

we did not have flags out every 100 yards, we were judging wind at tower (which was gust 20-25mph), reading mirage at 1000, and holding off target for adjustment, tactical applications, not dailing in the DOPE.
 
Ah. The infamous Rifles Only... explains a lot.

Sorry, a .260 on its best day doesn't shoot 1/3 the wind of a .308 load. I'm guessing I've put enough .308 rounds down range, alongside people shooting calibers that shoot hotter and flatter and use less wind than a .260 (as well as having a .260, 6.5-284, 6-6.5x47L myself at one point or another)... and I throw the B.S. flag on that, plain and simple. .260 is a good all around round, no argument here, but it ain't magic.
 
that is why it is a great country

We can agree to disagree and that is OK and I actually welcome it. It would be a boring work if everyone nodded and never disagreed. 308 was 12.5 feet (my mistake), so it was just under half differnce, though that is neither here nor there in our disagreement.

I was behind the trigger holding 5-feet right and banging steel consistently at a dime regardless. Ballistic programs assumme constant wind gust, true conditions that is not hardly the case.

What did you mean by infamous RO? I had a wonderful expereice and will go back.

MC
 
ok its going to be a 308 and using a Eliseo Tubegun Stock not sure if i should go r5 r1 or rt 10 which type of stock will be the best for a 308 and i thinking a viper clone 700 action and jewel trigger and i'm not sure which barrel brand to go with for the 308
 
mudcat:

There is a classified section on BR Central. Those who host the site require, somewhat reasonably, that if you want to sell something, you are suppose to post it there. It is not considered all right to come on this forum and post items you have for sale on another site.

That's official. Unofficially, I don't much care for people coming onto our site and recommending something most of us in benchrest would consider inappropriate to a new shooter. The reason I gave you a hard time is because of the new shooter aspect. You're entitled to your opinion, even to express it. It gets dicey when, on Benchrest Central, your advice is (1) contrary to the experience of most of us, and (2) comes from someone who doesn't shoot benchrest.

Not that benchrest is the only appropriate point of view. But that is what this forum is about. We benchresters are a small group. If our interests and yours don't run common, that's OK, we'll all survive.
 
Well

I am not a long range shooter, but wouldn't one of those Savage F-Class or Match Rifles in 308, with Federal Match Ammo, fit the originol posters bill.

Come on, guys, He doesn't even handload. ...........jackie
 
I'd second what Lynn said. I didn't realize there was a Factory 6-BR with an 8-twist barrel, or factory ammunition. I'm not particularly a 6 BR fan, but I've been beaten by them often enough to respect what they're capable of. The chambering is good enough so that results will depend on individual components -- barrels, bullets, etc.

Moreover, a 6 BR with 100 or so grain bullets can be more or less competitive at all distances. No, a factory rifle and factory ammunition isn't going to win many short-range benchrest matchs, but when the winds up at 200 yards, an exceptional barrel with good bullets might win a short-range BR match. (Ask R.G. Robinett or Ferris Pindell.) And at 1,000 the same chambering with an exceptional barrel will win consistently.

When you find yourself saying that the variables are barrels & bullets, you've gotten yourself into benchrest territory. As I said, I didn't know there was a suitable Factory rifle/ammunition in 6 BR.
 
Charles,

Oddly enough, I knew about the Savage 6mm BRs, but for some reason I tend to think of them as a 600yd rig even though I've shot one out to 1k before. Dunno why, even that one (which ran really slow, several years back) shot inside a .308 - not by much, but it did nonetheless. Barrel life should be nearly as good as a .308, ammo cost once he starts handloading should be cheaper than a .308, and recoil is nil.

Savage makes a Long Range Precision Varminter with a 26" barrel in both right-bolt left port and 'dual port', 'F-Class' model with a right bolt right port action and 30" barrel, and their 'Benchrest' model in 'dual port' with a 30" barrel. The one gotcha to be careful of when ordering is it is possible to get the LRPV with a 1-12" twist for varmint bullets instead of a 1-8".

The only thing I'd suggest on a Savage is you may want to send the bolt off to Gre-Tan to get the factory firing pin hole bushed - by default they come a little on the big side and tend to exhibit cratered primers even on moderate loads. Greg usually has the bolt back to you inside a week, so its a relatively quick and painless 'upgrade'.

I've shot a couple boxes of the Lapua 6mm BR ammo loaded with 105 Scenars before - through a custom 40X barrelled in 6BR - primarily as a reference load. The ammo shot very, very well. Don't have any test targets or info left from then, but I'd say it wouldn't disappoint someone who doesn't handload - and might frustrate some who do!
 
Milanuk

I have shot the Factory Lapua 6BR 105 Scenar in a 1-8 twist, and you are right, it shoots quite well.

To do it, I took the time to make a little fixture that allowed me to true the loaded round up, and turn enough off of the cases to shoot in my .269 neck.

I think the velocity was in the 2800 range out of a 28 inch barrel.

The only thing I would disagree with is barrel life. I doubt there is any way a 6BR will have anywhere near the barrel life as a 308. But, the BC of the 105 6mm is pretty good. If the conditions warrant simply dumping as many shot down range as possible in a given condition, the 6mm should beat the 308.

I have sort of become a fan of the Savage 308's. There have been a couple of shooters use them in our 100 yard club matches, and the accuracy is about as good as one could expect from a mass produced Factory Offerring............jackie
 
i'm going to be using the 308 caliber and later going to maybe put a switch barrel in it to a 6mm bullet size and i was thinking a diamandback action by viper actions or http://www.pierceengineeringltd.com/products.php?item=2 piemier action not sure yet i want it super smooth actions and i'm not sure for the Eliseo Tube Gun Stock the R1 single shot was going try do R5 but they dont make it for the 308 i'm doing the 308 because ppl say it is easyer to learn how to reload with them going with a jewell trigger and the barrel i thinking a Krieger Barrels i would like to get the barrel in a 30 in barrel and if u guys could help me with any of it thanks
 
Well, the good news is you probably won't 'out-grow' that gun any time soon. Personally I think its a bit silly to throw that kind of money at a gun when you don't even reload yet, but its your $$$ to spend. Enjoy!
 
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