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Stick with the Hornady 17gr. I tried Federal, and CCI, and one of those would'nt hit the paper plate at 100yds. The Hornady was the best hands down. I have some 20gr Hornady, but they did'nt group as good as the 17gr, out of my Savage. Good Luck Jim

Oh and I glass bedded the action, and floated the barrel ! Jim

I shot about the same setup as you, back in the 80's. Clean your bore properly. I bought a good scope , a Leupold 8x. Went to a 40gr Vmax, and cut my groups in half. There is more you can do, but if you start there, that should help. Good Luck Jim

Some great tips ! Thanks guys ! Jim

I actually have the 510 which has the single shot loading ramp. My concern was if the bolt would handle the pressure. The bolt face would have to be milled. I also worried about the extractors! A Geen Mountain barrel was to be my choice. I guess a 17m2 would be a much better choice...

Would a 513T action be suitable for a 17HMR ? Thanks ! Jim

After I sized down to 221, I turned the necks, and that really helped ! I was just up to Cabelas and bought some brass, it was $46 plus tax, but I had a coupon for $30 of of a $100. Thanks for the info guys !

Thanks guys ! I had some free brass, so I thought I'd try it. The Saubier site did help. I've have a few made up. Jim

I've been trying unsuccessfully to form 17fireball brass from 223 brass. I start with a 221 trim die, no problem. I turn the necks, and neck size to 20, no problem. Then when I size to 17 fireball, they nearly all wrinkle. How much wrinkle can I get by with ? How do you guys do it ? Thanks...

I have a neck turner on my trimmer. It works fine. Have'nt shot any of these casings yet. I'm a littler nervous because I have'nt annealed them. Have'nt tried a hacksaw for cutting, It may be the best way to go. Just looking for other ideas ! Thanks for the input guys !!! Jim

To date, I size with a trim die, and use a table saw with an abrasive blade, to trim the lions share, and then finish in a Forster trimmer. I just thought someone may have a faster, better, and safer setup. The table saw works, but rather dangerous ! As far as annealing, thats my next project !

I've reformed a few 223 to 221 fireball. There is quite a bit of brass to remove to bring them into spec. What do you guys use to trim the brass ? Seems like someone should make a setup that would fit a hand crank trimmer, and cut the brass like a pipe cutter. And leave it at correct length...

I think I'll try a few, and see how it goes. Thanks again ! Jim

Thanks Larry ! I'm not a "hot" load fan. Now, would a slow burn or fast burn powder be the best choice? Thanks again ! Jim

I have some rem. 6 1/2 primers. I'm wondering if they would be suitable for a 222 rem rifle ? Thanks !!! Jim

How about the ammo? Have you tried different brands, or lots ? Jim

Thanks guys for the Great imput ! Thanks Larry for the link, I really like your digital headspace gauge ! I got out my S.P. comparator and did some checking. First the Vmax were fine, the ones I had trouble with were old Remington hollow points. After checking the COL, I had variation...

I will have more time tomorrow, to nail down more exact measurements, I'll also check the primers. I guess if I sorted by the ogive, after I had them loaded, I'd be better off. Thanks guys ! Jim

Hi John I have a Stoney Point Comparator. Everything was snug, and the COL was consistant Just the measurement , from the base of the case to the ogive on the seated bullet was inconsistant. This is a 223, with 50gr. bullets. Jim

Ah ! There in lies my problem ! I have seating dies from RCBS, and a Redding competition seater, and both have a small stem, that just fits the bullet close to the tip. Who makes a seater that touches the bullet close to the ogive ? Again thanks !! Jim