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Wilbur,
I see the thread titled” Westcoast Longrange Shooters We Need Your Input” has been deleted and one can no longer post or read the thread. It is understandable that the post was getting personal and having personal attacks on others and this was bound to happen.
When an organization has an elected official that goes unchecked and manipulates matches to be in his favor is this not a personal attack on all the members of said organization? Then in doing so his actions brings out the worst in everyone especially those in attendance at the matches?
I happened to be at the match and saw what had transpired first hand and looked back at a years worth of hard work, huge time investment, and a large cash outlay when the match was stopped, because of an individual who had no right to intervene, take a vote, stop the match with no official outcome that I should be happy with said such outcome. I was in fourth overall and wanted to finish the match as per the rule book and the outcome could have been better or I could have slipped way down there are no guarantees either way but at least I would have had the opportunity at a National event to shoot against everyone at the match in a head to head competition and see where I would have finished after the 3 day match. I was never allowed to have that opportunity.
Then there is the crew that ran the matches in Sacramento and it is in tatters and will need to be rebuilt. The target and pit crew vocally disagreed about the vote and it fell upon deaf ears and they may not be back in the future which is a shame they were probably the best crew one could have and played strictly by the rule book, and may be a great loss to the organization. A match director who was one hell of a nice guy now has doubts about what path forward in long range shooting they may take.
There are the sponsors that donated prizes for our Nationals how hard is it going to be to get the trust and respect of the sponsors back and donating prizes once again.
Then there are the shooters that were at the match. There was at least one spectator who wants to shoot long range and now he is questioning if he wants to be involved at all with said organization. There were a couple of new shooters at the match that only had been to one match before the nationals are they going to want to continue? Then there are regular competitors whose confidence is shaken to the core and want nothing to do with the organization anymore nor have faith that the right thing will be done. We lost the range and shooters in Colorado due to one individual we are probably loosing all the shooters in the Northwest due to the same individual.
The chain reaction is much more far spreading than just a single match outcome. Is this the foot forward we want to put out to attract new shooters which always seems to be a topic at hand? Is this the way we want ensure that members trust and want to stay in our origination? Is this the proper path forward for an organization to grow and prosper as it moves into the future?
How could things of been different if the individual in question was dealt with quickly, responsibly and in a timely manner? We are not talking about a public flogging or a public humiliation the individual is probably humiliated enough already. A word or two from the governing body our elected officials with reassurances that this will not occur again and ensure the shooters that it will be dealt with properly and in a timely manner and it will not tolerate this type of action now or in the future. If these steps would have been taken it would have spoke volumes about the officers in the organization and given solace to all the members that the proper path forward was being taken and ensure it would be fair for all members and not just the one’s involved in the match. Silence is the worst offender of all and will always put the mind in a fast forward mode with speculation, wondering and jumping to conclusions all of which will be wrong.
I don’t blame you for deleting the thread but if said organization would have responded in a timely and proper manner could all of this have been circumvented? There has been a history in this organization’s long range shooting that if one was to take took a look at the past occurrences that have happened that raised questions in long range this individual’s action at this match would be a surprise no one.
This may be more questions than answers but if the status quo does not want to address the rank and file and answer questions about the now and future matches, the path forward then the rank and file will run awry and havoc will ensue.
For the record I am not pro NBRSA nor am I pro IBS I would like to see the proper thing dome regardless of the organization and I want to see every competitor that I shoot against have the opportunity to have all shots on the target by the rule book. Yes I am very competitive and work hard at shooting benchrest and want a win because I was the best at that match and not by default or have the opportunity stripped away.
John Crawford
I see the thread titled” Westcoast Longrange Shooters We Need Your Input” has been deleted and one can no longer post or read the thread. It is understandable that the post was getting personal and having personal attacks on others and this was bound to happen.
When an organization has an elected official that goes unchecked and manipulates matches to be in his favor is this not a personal attack on all the members of said organization? Then in doing so his actions brings out the worst in everyone especially those in attendance at the matches?
I happened to be at the match and saw what had transpired first hand and looked back at a years worth of hard work, huge time investment, and a large cash outlay when the match was stopped, because of an individual who had no right to intervene, take a vote, stop the match with no official outcome that I should be happy with said such outcome. I was in fourth overall and wanted to finish the match as per the rule book and the outcome could have been better or I could have slipped way down there are no guarantees either way but at least I would have had the opportunity at a National event to shoot against everyone at the match in a head to head competition and see where I would have finished after the 3 day match. I was never allowed to have that opportunity.
Then there is the crew that ran the matches in Sacramento and it is in tatters and will need to be rebuilt. The target and pit crew vocally disagreed about the vote and it fell upon deaf ears and they may not be back in the future which is a shame they were probably the best crew one could have and played strictly by the rule book, and may be a great loss to the organization. A match director who was one hell of a nice guy now has doubts about what path forward in long range shooting they may take.
There are the sponsors that donated prizes for our Nationals how hard is it going to be to get the trust and respect of the sponsors back and donating prizes once again.
Then there are the shooters that were at the match. There was at least one spectator who wants to shoot long range and now he is questioning if he wants to be involved at all with said organization. There were a couple of new shooters at the match that only had been to one match before the nationals are they going to want to continue? Then there are regular competitors whose confidence is shaken to the core and want nothing to do with the organization anymore nor have faith that the right thing will be done. We lost the range and shooters in Colorado due to one individual we are probably loosing all the shooters in the Northwest due to the same individual.
The chain reaction is much more far spreading than just a single match outcome. Is this the foot forward we want to put out to attract new shooters which always seems to be a topic at hand? Is this the way we want ensure that members trust and want to stay in our origination? Is this the proper path forward for an organization to grow and prosper as it moves into the future?
How could things of been different if the individual in question was dealt with quickly, responsibly and in a timely manner? We are not talking about a public flogging or a public humiliation the individual is probably humiliated enough already. A word or two from the governing body our elected officials with reassurances that this will not occur again and ensure the shooters that it will be dealt with properly and in a timely manner and it will not tolerate this type of action now or in the future. If these steps would have been taken it would have spoke volumes about the officers in the organization and given solace to all the members that the proper path forward was being taken and ensure it would be fair for all members and not just the one’s involved in the match. Silence is the worst offender of all and will always put the mind in a fast forward mode with speculation, wondering and jumping to conclusions all of which will be wrong.
I don’t blame you for deleting the thread but if said organization would have responded in a timely and proper manner could all of this have been circumvented? There has been a history in this organization’s long range shooting that if one was to take took a look at the past occurrences that have happened that raised questions in long range this individual’s action at this match would be a surprise no one.
This may be more questions than answers but if the status quo does not want to address the rank and file and answer questions about the now and future matches, the path forward then the rank and file will run awry and havoc will ensue.
For the record I am not pro NBRSA nor am I pro IBS I would like to see the proper thing dome regardless of the organization and I want to see every competitor that I shoot against have the opportunity to have all shots on the target by the rule book. Yes I am very competitive and work hard at shooting benchrest and want a win because I was the best at that match and not by default or have the opportunity stripped away.
John Crawford