I met Alvin about mid 80's we were down at the Crawfish and there was Phil Sauer, Dwight Scott. I think his name was Jerry, Gary Hayes, myself, and Alvin. We were at a trapshooting thing mabob. I was in awl because I had used his sleeves and single shot followers and everything he made, I think, and I finally got to meet him, only to find out he was one of us. Nice and quiet, I say that for you James, EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!