This forum makes my head hurt...

jimmymac

J McGregor
...when I use the search function. So many topics. So much variation on methods. It's not unexpected, but for the new guy looking to get in to short range benchrest there is a lot to take in and think about in order to separate the good, the bad and the ugly.

The ideal neck dimension for a PPC is a good read. 262 is the way to go right up until 269 or some place in between wins the day. That free bore dimension sparks up some interest too.

6PPC fire forming methods are all over the map. Everything from cream of wheat with no bullet to as much N133 or H322 a guy can cram into a 220 Russian case with a hard jam and a crush fit between the case shoulder and chamber. Pistol powder. Shotgun Powder. Hydro forming with no powder at all.

Primer pockets are a fun read. Some guys uniform them and swear by it, while others say it's a waste of time. Those that uniform may or may not use an adjustable tool. Some uniform them just for the hell of it even if they can't determine if there is any actual benefit.

Researching sizing dies is fun. Custom or semi-custom are the preferred choices for the serious shooter so it is more a matter of who you have do the work for you. Harrell's seems to provide a nice semi-custom die for a fair price. If that's not good enough, a guy can spend upwards of $250 for that custom sizing die. Hopefully your gunsmith is up to the task and that same $250 die will work with the next barrel you have chambered so as not to repeat the process.

Seating dies are interesting too. It seems like many guys get along just fine with standard LE Wilson seaters, while others wouldn't even consider using one because the fit isn't as exact as it could be.

Neck turning brass is about the same. Multiple methods to arrive at the desired neck thickness assuming one can determine how much clearance is actually needed or desired. .0085 wall thickness for that 262 neck is the answer right up until .0080 is determined to be a better number. One guy will turn the brass in a single pass, while others do multiple passes. Mandrels are an interesting topic too. Carbide is the definitive choice right up until the time it's a waste of money.

Weight sorting is also a fun read. You either swear by it or it is a complete waste of time in the short range bench game.

Scopes, scope power, scope brand, rings, scope lapping, actions, action brand, port configuration, action timing, triggers, firing pins, reading the wind, wind flags, daisy wheels or not, flag materials, flag balance, bullet type, bullet brand, bullet weight, neck tension, front rests, rear bags, etc. etc. etc.

No wonder my head hurts.

Please keep in mind that the intent of everything written above is good-natured and said tongue in cheek. For those long time shooters that may have forgot, it provides a brief re-cap of what a new shooter is up against. I'm just striving to keep it simple. Easier said than done sometimes.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
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This is what makes the shooting sports so fascinating to so many. You get to study chemistry, physics, metalurgy, meteorology, etc. all in one sport. Anti-gunners do not get this. They think we're all fantasizing about killing people or animals. I tell them that "it's like bowling, with very small balls."

What it boils down to is whatever works for you and your rifle. Some people will only believe something if a respected friend or relative tells them. Some only if they read it by a writer they respect. I prefer to peruse all available sources and then construct some shooting tests to hopefully validate what I think is correct.

You will have a lot better chance of success if you pick one sport and one rifle and spend lavish amounts of time and money on it. Don't be like me and do many sports with many rifles and not be very good at any of it. Still, I have all the fun I can stand.
 
This is what makes the shooting sports so fascinating to so many. You get to study chemistry, physics, metalurgy, meteorology, etc. all in one sport. Anti-gunners do not get this. They think we're all fantasizing about killing people or animals. I tell them that "it's like bowling, with very small balls."

What it boils down to is whatever works for you and your rifle. Some people will only believe something if a respected friend or relative tells them. Some only if they read it by a writer they respect. I prefer to peruse all available sources and then construct some shooting tests to hopefully validate what I think is correct.

You will have a lot better chance of success if you pick one sport and one rifle and spend lavish amounts of time and money on it. Don't be like me and do many sports with many rifles and not be very good at any of it. Still, I have all the fun I can stand.


I enjoy the research as well but I do want to strive to keep things simple. I tend to over think things and don't want to get stuck in that trap. In the end, I'll find my way.

The first time I sat down shooting better equipment with better reloading technique, the groups got better too. Once that happened, I got hooked. Since then, all I've done is try to shoot a zero inch group like every other group shooter on this board.

For me, it seems that I'm always chasing tune. I suspect a lot of that isn't as much the tune as it is not being able to read the wind worth a darn and getting bit that way. Always learning or trying to at the least.
 
The secret to Competitive Benchrest shooting is that there ain't a secret. The stuff we do is likely a waste of time but that's what we do while we wait to get a good barrel. It seems to make sense but I've had a couple or three really good barrels and took the time to diminish the stuff I did while shooting those barrels. Nothing I could do, or better said, not do, would phase those good barrels. My case necks got too long once and I shot some big ones but that's about it. Never realized that neck turning was something I didn't need to do as well. Here's the deal...either your rifle will win or it won't. Yes, it's more than just the barrel but that's all I know to write about.
 
When you jump into benchrest, it's easy to drown in theory. I went that route myself. Read tons of PS articles, spent time on the forums, etc, etc. I'm not saying it was a waste of time....I learned a lot. But no amount of theory can replace trigger time. To get good, you must shoot.....and shoot a lot. And as Wilbur rightly noted, if the barrel or gun isn't capable, get a new barrel or a new gun. Once your confidence grows, compete. Nothing gets you up the learning curve faster than competition, whether it be group or score.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com
 
Those good barrels every now and then sure make you think you know what your doing till there used up

But, as my mentor says everything matters. All the stuff you listed matters to some degree or other.
Like Lee says shoot, and shoot a lot so you can be awake when that good barrel comes along

Hope to see ya at the Hog Roast. I'm looking to make a better showing up there than I did last year
 
OK, I clearly remember the first time I realized I CAN SHOOT ZERO'S!!!





IF, if, if, if if if ifififififif....... my equipment works. I'm not perfectly in step with Wilbur that "it's just barrels" but I will support his feelings wholeheartedly, in my own words (at least I THINK this is what Wilbur means)




"A GOOD GUN MAKES YOU LOOK GOOD!!"

It might be the barrel
It might be the fit
It might be the bullets
It might be the bullets
It Might Be The BULLETS
It might be the scope
It might be the scope MOUNTS
It sure might be the barrel......

And if the gun is GOOD in spurts......or "when you hold it right"..... "between 3 and 11rds"... or . . or . . or . . or....

I say fix it or throw it away.

A GOOD gun will shoot if you pour the case full, dump a liddle out so's the bullet fits, drop a bullet in and fire it off a rolled up coat.......

(but will it do it with the next barrel???)
 
Those good barrels.........

Hope to see ya at the Hog Roast. I'm looking to make a better showing up there than I did last year

Hog Roast?

Hog Roast?

You are not shooting till the Hog Roast? How about the Shamrock, River Bend, Roanoke....??

The Hog Roast is way out there!

Tim? You ok?

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Jimmy, I have heard people say...."Benchrest is just Monkey see, Monkey do". They assume that just because the vast majority shoot a 6PPC, they all must be marching in lock step.

As you have pointed out, there are a miriad ways to be successful at this game. Granted, there is a sizable minority that all scream in unison......."but that's not the way (insert well known Hall of Fame Shooter) does it". That's true. But the fact remains that most Benchrest Shooters like doing things that they are comfortable with, and fits their style.

My pet saying about Benchrest is it's all about Barrels, Bullets, and Tuning. All the rest is just window dressing.
 
I'm tickled with my Whidden dies from his custom shop

Like you said talk to 5 different guys you'll het 5 different opinions
I used wilson inline seating dies ans a harrel sizing die for a couple years nothing wrong with that way
You'll get it together in time

Let me know if I can help
 
That's the plan Tim. Still got a long way to go to get my head wrapped around that. Got a lot of stuff that needs bought too. After all, a guy has to be able to dispense powder and size brass some kind of way.

Get Dave to make you a die you won't get better, he's right down the road. ....... Jim
 
I will soon be selling out of my short range benchrest equipment. I did one season in Virginia and loved it, but moved to West Va and now have no use for it. Stay tuned....
 
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