I have a set on my Viper, and ordered two sets for my friend's Pandas. They measure 25# cocked, and the top half of the bolt lift is easier than when a one piece spring is used. I heard of them (it?) from a post that Speedy made on Facebook. The springs are wound in opposite directions so that the normal sliding of their ends as they are compressed, cancels out, rather than the ends of a single spring turning slightly against the surfaces that they are compressed against. Before I looked into this setup, I had not been aware that this end of spring "scooting" as a coil spring is compressed even takes place. Tubb's springs go on the firing pen end to end, abutting each other in the middle of the pin shank. Personally, I think that they are a great idea, and that any action that can take a standard Remington spring (long or short) or Winchester, would benefit from the change. Besides the reduction of bolt lift, there seems to be a reduction in vibration during the firing cycle (dry firing).