I am in the middle of my 30BR project and its time to think about putting a scope on it. I asked last week about a leupold scope, but a good friend pointed something out to me i had not thought about. The leupold scopes are 1/4 moa adjustment. Some of the other benchrest scopes on the market are 1/8th click. Will a 1/8th click make much difference when shooting score? I really enjoy the score game and i want this new rifle to be special, as i am not going to be building another for quite some time. I was hell bent on buying a older 36x leupold and i have a good friend that has one for me at a fair price, but like i said if the 1/8th adjustments make better since then i will go that route. I love the clarity of the leupold and of course the warranty. So does the 1/8th adjustments make much difference? It seems to me that i hold off a lot anyway, so i am thinking it probably wont make much difference, but i thought i would see what more experience has to say. Thanks Lee
Scope for varmint for score??
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P1ZombieKiller
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I choose the Weaver 36, but that was due to costs not for the adjustments. It has 1/8 clicks, and I do think it helps. For score shooting, I use the "bullet factor" on aiming anyway. I get it as close as I want it, and I hold off 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 bullets widths. The object is to not only hit the 10 ring, but clip or wipe out that dot. So knowing how far to hold off enables you to wipeout that dot is how I determine where to hold the scope. I think that 1/8 adjustment really comes in handy. I'm still new like you are, but trying to hold off 2-3 rings plays havoc on my brain. I just can't do it.
My opinion is (not sure if it's right or wrong) but for group, it's not as important where the adjustment is, as you have several square inches to place those 5 shots.
I know you didn't ask, but I'll toss this out there too since I know you have never backed down from an expanding conversation
I like the 36 better than the 45 so I can see more of my last wind flag in my scope. How do you feel about that?
I choose the Weaver 36, but that was due to costs not for the adjustments. It has 1/8 clicks, and I do think it helps. For score shooting, I use the "bullet factor" on aiming anyway. I get it as close as I want it, and I hold off 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 bullets widths. The object is to not only hit the 10 ring, but clip or wipe out that dot. So knowing how far to hold off enables you to wipeout that dot is how I determine where to hold the scope. I think that 1/8 adjustment really comes in handy. I'm still new like you are, but trying to hold off 2-3 rings plays havoc on my brain. I just can't do it.
My opinion is (not sure if it's right or wrong) but for group, it's not as important where the adjustment is, as you have several square inches to place those 5 shots.
I know you didn't ask, but I'll toss this out there too since I know you have never backed down from an expanding conversation
I like the 36 better than the 45 so I can see more of my last wind flag in my scope. How do you feel about that?
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Lee
Hello Lee,
The Leupold Competition Benchrest Scopes DO HAVE 1/8 minute per click adjustments and they are available in 35x, 40x, and 45x. with plain crosshair , or crosshair with 1/8 min dot. They have a 30mm tube, side focus and screw on lens covers, and a lifetime warranty. I shoot VFS and love my Leupold 45x with the dot.
Good luck with your project,
Dick
Hello Lee,
The Leupold Competition Benchrest Scopes DO HAVE 1/8 minute per click adjustments and they are available in 35x, 40x, and 45x. with plain crosshair , or crosshair with 1/8 min dot. They have a 30mm tube, side focus and screw on lens covers, and a lifetime warranty. I shoot VFS and love my Leupold 45x with the dot.
Good luck with your project,
Dick
I generally do pretty well at varmint for score. I truly think it is my favorite discipline followed closely by group shooting. I did recently purchase a 45x leupold and man do i love that scope!!! Maybe i will save a few more pennies and buy another.
I generally find a good condition, one that is prevalent and shoot sigters in this condition and fine tune my scope to that condition. I then shoot my targets, but i still find that i have to hold off slightly from shot to shot. That's kinda why i was wondering about the 1/4 min adjustment. I have never shot score with a 1/4 moa scope so i really didnt know if there would be any disadvantage or not. I still dont think there is probably much of a disadvantage but i want to do everything the very best i can on this rifle. Thanks men!! Have a great weekend! Lee
I generally find a good condition, one that is prevalent and shoot sigters in this condition and fine tune my scope to that condition. I then shoot my targets, but i still find that i have to hold off slightly from shot to shot. That's kinda why i was wondering about the 1/4 min adjustment. I have never shot score with a 1/4 moa scope so i really didnt know if there would be any disadvantage or not. I still dont think there is probably much of a disadvantage but i want to do everything the very best i can on this rifle. Thanks men!! Have a great weekend! Lee
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eww1350
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The only disadvantage is "percieved"...I shoot a Leupold 36x and do not feel at a disadvantage...you had better consider the quality of resolution at 200 yards and 300 yards...I think the Leupold optics will be an advantage..
Dick Grosbier
Club Coordinator
Yes you can shoot score with a scope with 1/4 moa adjustments, however you can shoot it much more easily with 1/8 moa adjusting scope. In Group shooting it matters very little where you put your group as long as you put all your shots very close together there. In score shooting controlling exactly where you put your shot is the neme of the game and within 1/4 moa is just not as good as 1/8. When the 1/8 min Weavers came out people abandoned the 1/4 min Leupolds in droves (it also helped the Weavers Had much more positive and repeatable adjustments ). The Leupolds were always more like 3/8" adjustments and the weavers seemed 3/16 I had a very good 36 BRD Leupold (Silver) scope that lay unused in my closet for 5 or 6 years until about 2 years ago the prices peaked and I sold it for quite a bit more than I paid for it. As I shoot almost entirely score and I found it useless.
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Andy B
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I have shot both the Leupold and weavers, I have settled on a weaver for no other reason than gun weight. The Leupolds are heavy. After purchasing a used rifle and finding the stock alone is weighted to 4.5 pounds. I have no choice but to restock or shoot a weaver. Both are perfectly suited to score . What ever you go with, Get an 1/8 minute adjustment.
Andy B.
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Pete Wass
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I have had several
even though I shoot mostly 6 Power, I have had a number of VFS type scopes on rifles over time. One of the nicest ones I ever had was one of the last series of B&L's. That scope was repeatable and had great glass in it. I currently have a Weaver, which I have had for years and is my "Swith Scope" and backup scope. It is true and has been all along. I also have a 40X Leupold Competition frozen in Brackney mounts. I trust that one also. I have found living without clicks to be simple, easy and fast to use.
If I was a hard corps VFS shooter I would try a March though. They seem to be as advertised. Guess I was wrong about them in the beginning. Apparently it IS possible to make a scope that will "Take the Likkin and keep on tickin". Although the newer Leup Comps seem to be OK, the first couple of years they weren't., ergo the Frozen options out there.
I have sometimes read that one should spend as much on their scope as they do their rifle adn I can see the logic in that . Buy the best and cry once. It's taken us a while to find the best however.
even though I shoot mostly 6 Power, I have had a number of VFS type scopes on rifles over time. One of the nicest ones I ever had was one of the last series of B&L's. That scope was repeatable and had great glass in it. I currently have a Weaver, which I have had for years and is my "Swith Scope" and backup scope. It is true and has been all along. I also have a 40X Leupold Competition frozen in Brackney mounts. I trust that one also. I have found living without clicks to be simple, easy and fast to use.
If I was a hard corps VFS shooter I would try a March though. They seem to be as advertised. Guess I was wrong about them in the beginning. Apparently it IS possible to make a scope that will "Take the Likkin and keep on tickin". Although the newer Leup Comps seem to be OK, the first couple of years they weren't., ergo the Frozen options out there.
I have sometimes read that one should spend as much on their scope as they do their rifle adn I can see the logic in that . Buy the best and cry once. It's taken us a while to find the best however
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Maybe one of the best ways to see what works best is to see what most folks are shooting. If you will look at the equipment lists for Gallatin & Buck Creek, you will see that roughly 2/3's of the competitors are using 12x42 Nightforce BR scopes. I've had a Luepold, a couple of Weavers and two Premier bumped Luepolds. I prefer the NF.
YMMV,
Rick
YMMV,
Rick
I learn new things every range trip
I have a new Leupold 45X that i put on my ppc with 20 moa rings. I am noticing a couple things. The scope doesnt seems as sharp ( it isnt as sharp or clear) when adjusted all the way down to compensate for the 20 moa off set. Is this normal? also i cant shoot this scope without it hitting me. The eye relief is to darn short for my free recoil shooting style. Is that normal? In other words has anyone else experienced this? I do also have a new used NF 12x42 and i think i will put it on the 30BR. I got riped off on a set of BAT one piece 20 moa 30mm rings. the fella i bought them from didnt tell me he had lapped the rings, and my scope just doesnt fit properly. I dont know if i should re lap them or what? I sure wish the fella would have told me this. The leupold still doesnt seem as clear when i adjust to compensate for the 20 moa. it did this in another set of 20 moa rings as well. Strange and a bit disappointing. Lee
I have a new Leupold 45X that i put on my ppc with 20 moa rings. I am noticing a couple things. The scope doesnt seems as sharp ( it isnt as sharp or clear) when adjusted all the way down to compensate for the 20 moa off set. Is this normal? also i cant shoot this scope without it hitting me. The eye relief is to darn short for my free recoil shooting style. Is that normal? In other words has anyone else experienced this? I do also have a new used NF 12x42 and i think i will put it on the 30BR. I got riped off on a set of BAT one piece 20 moa 30mm rings. the fella i bought them from didnt tell me he had lapped the rings, and my scope just doesnt fit properly. I dont know if i should re lap them or what? I sure wish the fella would have told me this. The leupold still doesnt seem as clear when i adjust to compensate for the 20 moa. it did this in another set of 20 moa rings as well. Strange and a bit disappointing. Lee
You are adjusting the parallax out irregardless of the scopes index numbers?....i.e pay no attention to the scopes numbers. Don't understand how the 20 moa rings matter.
Won't those offsets force you to put alot of adjustment into the scope (not optically centered?) which in short range BR could pose a problem?
I assume the reason was for a switch barrel set-up?
I don't think I ever got hit by an LCS scope. The only drawback to holding ones head back farther is you'll maybe lose the mirage board in the scope. Another option .....shoot heads-up. How good are your bags?
Won't those offsets force you to put alot of adjustment into the scope (not optically centered?) which in short range BR could pose a problem?
I assume the reason was for a switch barrel set-up?
I don't think I ever got hit by an LCS scope. The only drawback to holding ones head back farther is you'll maybe lose the mirage board in the scope. Another option .....shoot heads-up. How good are your bags?
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Pete Wass
Well-known member
I know there are
lots of Nightforce scopes still listed but I have several friends who had lots of problems with them and have moved on to other brands.
I don't sell scopes of any kind and am only reporting what I have observed over time.
The other think is the weight of them. They are dern heavy and I can't imagine it is a good thing to add that much weight WAYYYY up there where they sit.
lots of Nightforce scopes still listed but I have several friends who had lots of problems with them and have moved on to other brands.
I don't sell scopes of any kind and am only reporting what I have observed over time.
The other think is the weight of them. They are dern heavy and I can't imagine it is a good thing to add that much weight WAYYYY up there where they sit.
Centerfire
Member
skeet
Just trying to help but if you are concerned about the 'click value' you might want to look into a Brackney scope conversion. I saw one once and the scope tube is moved with mini micrometers, if I am remembering correctly.
Kinda best of both worlds and no point of impact changes, Frozen internals.
Check the used optics file.
Centerfire
Just trying to help but if you are concerned about the 'click value' you might want to look into a Brackney scope conversion. I saw one once and the scope tube is moved with mini micrometers, if I am remembering correctly.
Kinda best of both worlds and no point of impact changes, Frozen internals.
Check the used optics file.
Centerfire
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Randy J.
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Love the 1/8' min clicks
I used a 36x Leupold for several years and did Ok. The .25" clicks aren't too bad for the 100 game, but take that out to 300 yards and it is now .75". If you aren't lucky enough to get it closer, the best you may be able to do is .375" either side when not holding off. Start adding hold off and it can be perplexing at times, especially if you are shooting more than one condition. Given a choice, I use 1/8" clicks. Randy J.
I used a 36x Leupold for several years and did Ok. The .25" clicks aren't too bad for the 100 game, but take that out to 300 yards and it is now .75". If you aren't lucky enough to get it closer, the best you may be able to do is .375" either side when not holding off. Start adding hold off and it can be perplexing at times, especially if you are shooting more than one condition. Given a choice, I use 1/8" clicks. Randy J.
you are correct fellas i do not need the 20 moa rings but its all i have at this time in 30mm. I am in the hunt for a new set. I was just kinda curious if the 45x has a shorter eye relief as apposed to the 36x. I think it probably does?? I was wanting to use the 45x on the 30 br since we shoot out to 300 yards once a month here at our local shoot but i am afraid of getting WACKED!! with it! LOL!! Once you get hit it ruins the rest of your day,as all you can think about is how bad its going to hurt the next time. My bags are pretty good and i have thought about shooting heads up. I just started shooting one way from the start and from my accomplishments thus far it seems to be working. I am always open to suggestions and change. I am a level 3 sporting clays instructor and i know how important it is to keep an open mind in trying new things, or in this case a new shooting style. I really like the scope but i dont like getting hit by the dam thing!! Lee
Lee,
I have a new Leupold 45x on my 30br and I was experiencing the same problem with it hitting me in the nose (hence the flinch and the subsequent recoil pad...proved it in my last match that it may look like a man bra, but I am here to win not look good!). I also found that I had to change my shooting position to one that is more behind the gun as opposed to off to the side, and that free recoil was not going to work for me. I now use, for the time being, a moderate level of shoulder pressure. Big help in the confidence department.
My father's 36x Sightron Big Sky has an extra 1/2" of eye relief over the Leupold, and I never had a problem with that scope hitting me in the nose.
Mike
I have a new Leupold 45x on my 30br and I was experiencing the same problem with it hitting me in the nose (hence the flinch and the subsequent recoil pad...proved it in my last match that it may look like a man bra, but I am here to win not look good!). I also found that I had to change my shooting position to one that is more behind the gun as opposed to off to the side, and that free recoil was not going to work for me. I now use, for the time being, a moderate level of shoulder pressure. Big help in the confidence department.
My father's 36x Sightron Big Sky has an extra 1/2" of eye relief over the Leupold, and I never had a problem with that scope hitting me in the nose.
Mike