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SmittysLLC
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I'm looking for a distributor that has the Savage F/TR rifles in stock. I can find the Open rifle but not the Target Rifle.
Thanks,
Eric
Thanks,
Eric
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Rich-Allen
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Hi Smitty,
You can usually find the savage target rifles in stock at Taylors Trading post.
http://www.taylorstradingpost.com/
My son just bought his there two weeks ago
Rich
You can usually find the savage target rifles in stock at Taylors Trading post.
http://www.taylorstradingpost.com/
My son just bought his there two weeks ago
Rich
Try Gene Sears
Try Gene Sears at www.genesears.com Their number is 1-800-522-3314. Once you call them, they set you up an account and you can monitor their inventory and pricing on line. They have 7 of the FClass 6.5x284 in stock with excellent pricing. I am holding out for the 6BR but it is still not shipped from Savage.
Luck, tiny
Try Gene Sears at www.genesears.com Their number is 1-800-522-3314. Once you call them, they set you up an account and you can monitor their inventory and pricing on line. They have 7 of the FClass 6.5x284 in stock with excellent pricing. I am holding out for the 6BR but it is still not shipped from Savage.
Luck, tiny
F T/R stock
A good friend has one of these guns and the stock is just plain wrong for this gun. The cheek piece that comes with the gun to add height to the stock is plastic and uses wood screws to attach it. Really a BAD deal.
I have a Savage Model 12 LRPV with an HS Precision stock that is MUCH better. The factory 223 Remington Savage barrel was less than wonderful and I ended up re barreling to 6mmBR and having to have the original barrel replaced by Savage then had to have the factory 223 barrel set back, lapped, and re-crowned.
If I had it to do over, I would buy an action (they are available reasonably from several sources), add a Pac-Nor ( http://www.pac-nor.com/ ) or other custom barrel, and put the gun in a stock from Sharp Shooter Supply ( http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/ ).
The cost would be very close, and the gun would be a custom with a custom barrel rather than a stock gun with a factory barrel.
George
A good friend has one of these guns and the stock is just plain wrong for this gun. The cheek piece that comes with the gun to add height to the stock is plastic and uses wood screws to attach it. Really a BAD deal.
I have a Savage Model 12 LRPV with an HS Precision stock that is MUCH better. The factory 223 Remington Savage barrel was less than wonderful and I ended up re barreling to 6mmBR and having to have the original barrel replaced by Savage then had to have the factory 223 barrel set back, lapped, and re-crowned.
If I had it to do over, I would buy an action (they are available reasonably from several sources), add a Pac-Nor ( http://www.pac-nor.com/ ) or other custom barrel, and put the gun in a stock from Sharp Shooter Supply ( http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/ ).
The cost would be very close, and the gun would be a custom with a custom barrel rather than a stock gun with a factory barrel.
George
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Rich-Allen
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Travelor,
I agree the plastic cheek piece with the wooden screws is a terrible idea from Savage.
In my opinion, an even worse idea is the wood screw that attaches the trigger guard to the stock, it's a wood crew as well. Granted it's a slightly courser screw but it still a wood screw.
My son has found a load his F/TR likes and it's shooting .365 groups. That's straight out of the box. Not bad for a $1k rifle.
You could probably build a rifle for as much or slightly more using a better stock but then you have to find a smith willing to perform the work and you have to be willing to wait.
Rich
I agree the plastic cheek piece with the wooden screws is a terrible idea from Savage.
In my opinion, an even worse idea is the wood screw that attaches the trigger guard to the stock, it's a wood crew as well. Granted it's a slightly courser screw but it still a wood screw.
My son has found a load his F/TR likes and it's shooting .365 groups. That's straight out of the box. Not bad for a $1k rifle.
You could probably build a rifle for as much or slightly more using a better stock but then you have to find a smith willing to perform the work and you have to be willing to wait.
Rich
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jnclement
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Why would you use a gunsmith for this? It's a 30 minute job.........
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Rich-Allen
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Well!!! Step up then! build a rifle (any rifle, a squirt gun for that matter) in 30 minutes and we will compare it to any rifle out of the box.
Rich,
Given the following:
Savage action w/ trigger
pre-threaded & chambered barrel
barrel nut
recoil lug
trigger guard
stock w/ pillars and/or bedding block installed (like a Stockade fiberglass stock)
savage barrel nut wrench
couple wood blocks for the barrel
vise
headspace gauges (go/no-go)
30 minutes would be taking your time.
clamp barrel in wood block in vise
Screw the nut all the way forward on the barrel shank.
Slip on the recoil lug
screw receiver about 1/2-3/4" onto barrel
insert go gauge in chamber, close bolt
screw barrel down on go gauge hand (one hand) tight.
open bolt, eject go gauge, insert no-go gauge.
attempt to close bolt, verify handle does not drop.
remove no-go gauge, re-insert go gauge.
screw barrel nut down against receiver face, making sure key on lug goes into slot in receiver bottom
snug up barrel nut with wrench
remove barreled action from vise blocks, remove wrench.
drop barreled action in stock, insert stock screws and trigger guard.
Done.
Mount scope and go shoot. Mounting the scope to get the x-hairs plumb and level takes longer than putting the barreled action together.
If you can change an oil filter on your car, you can change the barrel on a Savage. You have to start out with the right parts and tools (which aren't hard to get or expensive), but after that, it's fairly simple.
YMMV,
Monte
Given the following:
Savage action w/ trigger
pre-threaded & chambered barrel
barrel nut
recoil lug
trigger guard
stock w/ pillars and/or bedding block installed (like a Stockade fiberglass stock)
savage barrel nut wrench
couple wood blocks for the barrel
vise
headspace gauges (go/no-go)
30 minutes would be taking your time.
clamp barrel in wood block in vise
Screw the nut all the way forward on the barrel shank.
Slip on the recoil lug
screw receiver about 1/2-3/4" onto barrel
insert go gauge in chamber, close bolt
screw barrel down on go gauge hand (one hand) tight.
open bolt, eject go gauge, insert no-go gauge.
attempt to close bolt, verify handle does not drop.
remove no-go gauge, re-insert go gauge.
screw barrel nut down against receiver face, making sure key on lug goes into slot in receiver bottom
snug up barrel nut with wrench
remove barreled action from vise blocks, remove wrench.
drop barreled action in stock, insert stock screws and trigger guard.
Done.
Mount scope and go shoot. Mounting the scope to get the x-hairs plumb and level takes longer than putting the barreled action together.
If you can change an oil filter on your car, you can change the barrel on a Savage. You have to start out with the right parts and tools (which aren't hard to get or expensive), but after that, it's fairly simple.
YMMV,
Monte
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nfhjr62
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I just called Calbels in Hammburg Pa. to see if they had a Savage 12/FTR in 308 in stock on a Friday answer was no BUT they checked with their supply house it was in stock so i gave them a deposit over the phone on Friday and it was in the next Thursday and picked it up on Saterday.
Why a gunsmith
The question was asked why use a gunsmith to install a barrel on a Savage.
My answer is simple: I recommend and use Krieger barrels with are not pre-chambered and installed WITHOUT the barrel nut. This requires someone with the knowledge and expertise to do - i.e. a gunsmith.
BTW, I would also recommend having the smith touch up the bolt face and time the action when barreling the gun. If you are not experienced in bedding a gun, I would have the smith bed the action and first inch or so of the barrel.
George
The question was asked why use a gunsmith to install a barrel on a Savage.
My answer is simple: I recommend and use Krieger barrels with are not pre-chambered and installed WITHOUT the barrel nut. This requires someone with the knowledge and expertise to do - i.e. a gunsmith.
BTW, I would also recommend having the smith touch up the bolt face and time the action when barreling the gun. If you are not experienced in bedding a gun, I would have the smith bed the action and first inch or so of the barrel.
George
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Rich-Allen
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Monte, I can change the oil in my car in about an hour. If I wanted to be sloppy I could do it in about 15 minutes.
When it comes to rifles it's another story. I can't do anything in 30 minutes. I figure it's alike anything else, it always seems like a few minutes when actually It takes a couple hours.
Rich
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mysticplayer
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The first and only PITA is removing the barrel nut the first time. Savage has hired the Samsonite 600lbs gorilla to tighten their nuts (waiting for lude comments to start flying )
however, once that chore is done, swapping pipes is dead easy..once you get the hang of it. No more complicated that screwing a really big bolt into a really long nut then using a jam nut to keep it all in place.
I don't feel the need to heman that barrel nut back on. In fact, I now swap barrels without a vise (the nut only has to keep the barrel from moving/rotating - nothing more nothing less). Hold the barreled action, give the nut wrench a smack with a rubber mallet and a new pipe is spun on. The last few swaps were done at my reloading bench.
Takes about 5mins to do the barrel swap then however long it takes to put two action screws to hold the action into the stock. 30 mins would give you plenty of time to have a coffee along the way.
I have now swapped the same pipe onto several actions with no ill effects. using the same ammo, the accuracy has been the same and the cases retain their alignment. That's really cool. Try that with any Remchestuger with a shoulder install.
The most recent Pac Nor pipe in 223 had been machined superbly with a gorgeous chamber that has proven to be dead straight. Shoots teeny tiny groups all the way out to a mile.
Shoulder headspacing is something I have done on several of my Stevens, it works great. Using a barrel nut on several more works fine too.
If you like to try different things and don't want the time loss and cost of a 'smith, the barrel nut install is THE way to go.
Throw in quality work from pac nor/quality producers and nothing is loss buying prechambered/threaded pipes from quality producers. Wouldn't surprise me to start seeing other match barrel makers offering this service.
Jerry
)however, once that chore is done, swapping pipes is dead easy..once you get the hang of it. No more complicated that screwing a really big bolt into a really long nut then using a jam nut to keep it all in place.
I don't feel the need to heman that barrel nut back on. In fact, I now swap barrels without a vise (the nut only has to keep the barrel from moving/rotating - nothing more nothing less). Hold the barreled action, give the nut wrench a smack with a rubber mallet and a new pipe is spun on. The last few swaps were done at my reloading bench.
Takes about 5mins to do the barrel swap then however long it takes to put two action screws to hold the action into the stock. 30 mins would give you plenty of time to have a coffee along the way.
I have now swapped the same pipe onto several actions with no ill effects. using the same ammo, the accuracy has been the same and the cases retain their alignment. That's really cool. Try that with any Remchestuger with a shoulder install.
The most recent Pac Nor pipe in 223 had been machined superbly with a gorgeous chamber that has proven to be dead straight. Shoots teeny tiny groups all the way out to a mile.
Shoulder headspacing is something I have done on several of my Stevens, it works great. Using a barrel nut on several more works fine too.
If you like to try different things and don't want the time loss and cost of a 'smith, the barrel nut install is THE way to go.
Throw in quality work from pac nor/quality producers and nothing is loss buying prechambered/threaded pipes from quality producers. Wouldn't surprise me to start seeing other match barrel makers offering this service.
Jerry
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caroby
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Pre-fit option
The most recent Pac Nor pipe in 223 had been machined superbly with a gorgeous chamber that has proven to be dead straight. Shoots teeny tiny groups all the way out to a mile.
Throw in quality work from pac nor/quality producers and nothing is loss buying prechambered/threaded pipes from quality producers. Wouldn't surprise me to start seeing other match barrel makers offering this service.
+1
Straight work is what I have seen from PacNor and Lothar Walther (Woody) pre-fit customs... They shoot oooohhhhhh REALLY well to boot!
cale
The most recent Pac Nor pipe in 223 had been machined superbly with a gorgeous chamber that has proven to be dead straight. Shoots teeny tiny groups all the way out to a mile.
Throw in quality work from pac nor/quality producers and nothing is loss buying prechambered/threaded pipes from quality producers. Wouldn't surprise me to start seeing other match barrel makers offering this service.
+1
Straight work is what I have seen from PacNor and Lothar Walther (Woody) pre-fit customs... They shoot oooohhhhhh REALLY well to boot!
cale