Rifle for Airgun Benchrest - Part II - FX Royale

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ShadowChaser

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As the Air Arms S400SL-XTRA PCP precision airgun that I‘ve been working on is in its benchrest stock and is now in the proving stage, the only tinkering it needs presently is the result of shooting it at matches. This means life in the work shop has diminished to a slow crawl while I waste time making a few shooting accessories. Thus enters a new FX Royale into my shop…

Late spring, Jim Stanis at Precision Airguns & Supplies has been talking to me about the new FX Royale PCP airgun that he describes as appearing to be a clone of the Theoben Rapid. No surprise as Ben Taylor of Theoben fame is co-designer of this new FX gun as I have been informed.

Then at the June Holbrook indoor match, Norm Lieber shows up with a new FX Royale and right from the box proceeds to win the match with it. My attention is caught and Monday following the match, I call Jim Stanis back and on the 3rd of July, the afternoon finds me opening a box and inspecting a new .22 caliber FX Royale in the synthetic stock.

Once I had the gun checked out, a Leapers 8X-32X scope mounted, and the gun with a full charge of air, I was off to the test range and using JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy 18.1gn pellets, I shot a 248-12X with the gun just as it came out of the box. My first impression is not that great and leaves me wondering what I’ve got myself into.

Understand this is my first and only rifle with a synthetic stock, also my very first experience with a thumbhole stock, and after 58 years of shooting guns with wooden stocks, I’m simply not impressed with this new gun. it shoots pretty decently but to my way of thinking, ergonomically, it’s a disaster…

However, while shooting that first target one thing was apparent to me, the trigger seriously needed adjusting and that kept my interest in the gun piqued so back to the shop and before I recharged the air bottle on it, I removed the gun from the stock and examined the trigger assembly as well as the page in the manual describing the trigger adjustments. It all looked pretty straight forward and with about 5 minutes of tinkering, I had the trigger working a lot better and more to my expectations and satisfaction. So, with a full charge of air, back to the range…

This time the gun produced a 250-22X target for me and now I’m thinking, this is more like it.

At this point, I decided to take my testing of the new gun a bit further and made several changes to my setup. I want to see chronograph numbers to see what the gun is doing and I also have several other pellets to test in it. So, I set up the chrony, recharge the air, another fresh target, and this time using JSB Exact 15.8gn pellets, target #3 comes up 250-23X. I repeat the cycle, target #4, JSB 18.2gn = 250-22X, Target #5 = 250-23X…

Chrony numbers for JSB 15.8gn, high = 964.8 fps, low = 930.1 fps, average = 949.6 fps

Chrony numbers for JSB 18.2gn, High = 924.3 fps, low = 898.8 fps, average = 913.9 fps

I also shot three targets using Kodiak 21gn pellets however the results were not quite as spectacular, 1st target with Kodiaks = 249-23X, 2nd target = 250-21X, and 3rd target = 249-18X. The velocity during these three targets averaged 875 fps , spread ranged from 10.4 for the 3rd target to 23.6 for the second target and the Std. Dev. 2.8 fps to 6.9 fps. Not too shabby but it does appear the gun likes the JSB pellets better for precision accuracy.

All of this testing was done using the Von Ahrens rest with a modified Pappas type front gun guide which worked fairly well with the factory synthetic stock if a bit tricky to adjust to line up the molded stock so the scope crosshairs were parallel with the grid on the target. This combination led to tracking anomalies and I constantly had to adjust to compensate as the gun proved to be very touchy to my hand position and grip.

After this initial testing over the 3rd-4th of July, I decided that to test the gun properly it would require a better means of fitting the gun to the rest to improve stability and a means to be able to adjust tracking and I spent the following couple of weeks at the CAD system and in the workshop. The end results I’m quite pleased with and think the gun is now at the stage of shooting in matches competitively as a means of testing. A new adjustable butt plate with extension and a sled for the forearm end to ride smoothly and precisely in the front gun guide were the modifications I’d decided to start with.

Here are pictures of my past week accomplishments. The FX Royale is now fitted to the Von Ahrens one piece rest with good stability.
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Here is the adjustable butt extension:
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This works very well, by tweaking four setscrews, I can now reduce the tracking error at 10 meters to less than 1mm shift of the POA (point of aim) at the target when the gun is slid back and forth 1" in the rest.

Here is the front gun guide sled:
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This sled eliminates the rocking of the gun on the radius of the forearm bottom surface and provides a smooth surface for the gun guide teflon buttons to rub on rather than the textured stock surface. It also extends forward of the stock providing a PVC block to hit the gun stop rather than to keep banging the end of the stock into it resetting the position after each shot. You will notice the thin light tan strip of VHB tape holding the sled to the gun along the top edge of the sled against the stock. This VHB tape holds the sled secure and allows the sled to be removed without any modification or damage to the stock should the need arise.

Some of you may notice that my Von Ahrens rest is outfitted with one of Pappas style front gun guides. I find the Pappas type guide to be more positive and adaptable than the original when one shoots a number of different guns in the rest. The rest front gun guides are interchangeable, I can swap to the original Von Ahrens front gun guide when I'm shooting either of the two guns I have that have an aluminum adapter plate mounted made specifically for the Von Ahrens guide. I have also manufactured a front gun guide for my Von Ahrens rest that uses the "ProteckTor" leather front bags which increases the flexibility and versitility of this rest considerably.

And the results:
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I should explain, this target was shot while testing the trigger with new reset spring and was shot on a 10 meter indoor range under ideal conditions. The target itself is a CAD generated target scaled down to 44% of the official AGBR target dimensions and is printed on 26lb copier paper. The logic is that a 10 meter range is 44% of the 25 yard distance that normal AGBR competions are shot, the standard AGBR target has a 10 ring that is .130" dia. and this scaled target has a 10 ring drawn at .050 dia with a .008 thick line. The intent is that for scoring purposes, the score should represent how the gun would shoot at 25 yards. Unfortunately, one can not scale the diameter of the pellet to the diameter of the ten ring so the end result is a higher than normal X-count in proportion as a .22 caliber pellet wipes out a .058" ring more readily than it will a .130" ring. However the fact that this gun consistently produces 250 score targets during testing is very promising. The real test will happen in September at the Holbrook Sportsman Club Indoor AGBR match... Until then, this gun is purely an experiment and speculation...
 
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Nice looking gun Mitch. Do you like the 22 cal better that the .177?
Larry Burchfield
 
I have had an interest in that model, what is the trigger apx weight and how does it feel. This to me has always been a concern before I drop a large sum of cash. I run a annie 2002 pcp which, of course has an excellent trigger. An additional question is how is the trigger on your 400 series units? Thanks
PS your write ups of your journeys thought the land of air are great!
 
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Nice looking gun Mitch. Do you like the 22 cal better that the .177?
Larry Burchfield

Thanks, Larry, I'm pretty pleased with how it has turned out, synthetic stock and all.

As to .22 caliber vs .177 caliber, I'm not convinced either is better than the other other than .22 cal pellets have a better BC and I think shoot better at ranges of 25 yards and beyond especially outdoors.

I'm old fashioned so I prefer .22 caliber as I grew up in the early 1950's with a horrible old lever action BB gun that pinched like nothing I've ever had since. It developed an intense dislike in me for anything reminisent of BB guns including the .177 caliber. Fortunately for me my father saw the error in his way in getting me the BB-gun and replaced it shortly after in 1953 with a single shot Marlin .22 and I've been hooked on .22 rimfires ever since.

Also, I'm convinced all the hoopla of .177 caliber pellet guns being more accurate is not based on technical logic but more that .177 caliber airguns have built a solid reputation as high grade target guns in the European match competitions and including the Olympic competitions resulting in the airgun/pellet manufactures catering to this .177 market with better selection and grade of match pellets which are virtually non-existent in .22 caliber. To shoot a .22 caliber airgun at competition levels, one has to inspect and grade .22 caliber pellets accordingly. Fortunately, JSB uses a manufacturing process in their Exact line of pellets that makes for high quality .22 pellets and I find weight sorting alone seems to provide the necessary consistency for match shooting.

blades wrote "I have had an interest in that model, what is the trigger apx weight and how does it feel. This to me has always been a concern before I drop a large sum of cash. I run a annie 2002 pcp which, of course has an excellent trigger. An additional question is how is the trigger on your 400 series units? Thanks
PS your write ups of your journeys thought the land of air are great!"

Blades, as to the FX Royale trigger, its pretty decent. I can not tell you what the pull is as I do not have a good trigger pressure gauge but I'd estimate it to be in the single digit ounce range, probably 4-6 oz. after a bit of tinkering.

I also shoot an Anschutz in rimfire as well as a Winchester 52D with the micromotion trigger and while I think the trigger in the Air Arms S400 guns is tops for a factory trigger, the trigger in the FX Royale comes close. The only change I have made in it was to substitute a lower tension shorter spring (Wolff #3-12 cut to abt 2/3 original length) for the trigger/sear reset spring and adjust the trigger for the least motion possible and still have the gun cock reliably. The second stage adjustment is simply a spring loaded ball screw and this I have set so I feel it just make contact before the sear releases so I know by feel when to start my squeeze. Also when changing the reset spring, I added a couple of very small flat washers to the sear pivot pin either side of the sear to keep it more in the center as well as to keep the end of the smaller spring contained. Without these washers, the sear has about 1/16" of side to side play which I see no point to and I'm convinced by keeping the sear more centered, the point of release is more consistent.

But then, take all this with a grain of salt, I'm an inveterate tinkerer and can never leave anything alone...

One thing I have learned with this gun, I'll never buy a gun with a synthetic stock again. The synthetic stock is a lot more flexible than the wooden stocks and this flexibility detracts from the stability of the gun in the rest very noticeably. Once I'm convinced this gun has proven itself worth the effort, I will change the stock to a custom made wood benchrest stock. I plan to take this FX Royale to the September Indoor match at Holbrook, that will be its baptism to match shooting and we'll see then how it does...

Thanks for your interest...
Happy Shooting,
Mitch & SHadow...
 
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Mitch,

I don't want to pop your bubble or anything here, but, even with being shot at 10 Meters, and at a 44% target, that target as I see it would only score as a 19 or 20X target under AGBR rules as targets 3, 8, 11, 17, 22 & 23 look very questionable as they appear to have not take out the entire ink ring of the 10 ring to qualify as X's. Now, a plug may prove me wrong, plus I'm running at the disadvantage of looking at a 3rd generation image of the target, so I definitely could be wrong.

Good shooting either way!

Dave
 
Mitch,

I don't want to pop your bubble or anything here, but, even with being shot at 10 Meters, and at a 44% target, that target as I see it would only score as a 19 or 20X target under AGBR rules as targets 3, 8, 11, 17, 22 & 23 look very questionable as they appear to have not take out the entire ink ring of the 10 ring to qualify as X's. Now, a plug may prove me wrong, plus I'm running at the disadvantage of looking at a 3rd generation image of the target, so I definitely could be wrong.

Good shooting either way!

Dave

Hi Dave,
Thank you for your input... The target was plugged however there is another factor in using the lighter weight paper for targets, and that is the 95% humidity that we've been having the past couple weeks where I am located.

To put this humidity effect in perspective, the "9" ring on the target is smaller in diameter than the .22 caliber pellets and the thin soggy paper folds too easily. This can be seen in bullseyes #10, #25 and the right most sighter as the .200" dia "9" ring has been left intact by the .223 dia. pellet passing through it. In the case of the bullseyes you question, the paper is depressed and a faint grey smudge encompasses the line such that when the target is freshly shot, that the entire "10" ring was struck is visibly obvious to the point I didn't bother to plug but two, #11 being the one that is most questionable however the plug definitely hides the full line...

As to it being a 3rd generation image of the target, it was scanned on a flat bed scanner using a grey scale B&W photo mode set to 150 dpi. 150 dpi. loses a lot of fine detail however the file size is about 1/5th of a 300 dpi image which shows a lot more detail but costs me 4 meg of storage which is critical on a ten year old 500 mhz computer with a 13 gig hard drive that is nearly full...

What is more important to note I think is that there are other effects of shooting a scaled target on an indoor 10 meter range with only one narrow lane and that is almost all effects of conditions have been eliminated. This also enhances probability of getting a perfect target and in my testing, targets like this one shown are more the norm than one should realistically expect I fear. Therefore I am always sure to include the details of any scaled target shot this way on my test range.

Thanks for your input...
Hope to see you in September...

Mitch & Shadow...
 
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Obviously, I stand corrected! But, what do I know? Oh, and thank you for the email pointing out where and why I went wrong... Dave
 
Re: AA S400 trigger

I have had an interest in that model, what is the trigger apx weight and how does it feel. This to me has always been a concern before I drop a large sum of cash. I run a annie 2002 pcp which, of course has an excellent trigger. An additional question is how is the trigger on your 400 series units? Thanks
PS your write ups of your journeys thought the land of air are great!

Blades,
As an after thought about triggers, I should have commented that the AA S400 trigger requires no modification as it comes from the factory to be one of the finest shooting triggers I've had the pleasure of using. All they require is a bit of adjusting to get them to what I want for a trigger. They can be set to be very sensitive.

I have read on the AA Owner's forum that some of the British competition shooters add small spring washers to align the trigger components however I've seen no need for this with either of the three S400 guns that I have.

Happy SHooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
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Today, 3 Oct, Holbrook held an indoor AGBR match and I was there and shot two targets with the FX Royale in .22 caliber... I'm very pleased to report that the gun did not disappoint, its definitely a shooter.

Regrettably, since putting this gun together in July, its been sitting in a case and has not been shot beyond the initial testing on my 10 meter range as mentioned in the post above as I've been tied up with other projects and with summer Holidays to interfere and today's match at Holbrook is the first match I've been able to attend since the June matches.

First "Official" match target shot today with this gun is a 250-6X and the second target is a 248-3X...

Now that this FX Royale gun has proven itself, the next step will be to construct a wood bench rest stock for it.

If there is one thing that I learned today, it is that the original synthetic stock simply is not rigid enough for rested shooting with a one piece rest. Case in point, the second PCP airgun that I took to the match today is a Air Arms S400SL in .177 caliber in a hardwood (black cherry) benchrest stock and is the gun I shot the first target of the match with. This cherry stock is of my own design and manufacturing and I mention it here as the difference between the two stocks as far as stiffness is concerned quickly proved to my satisfaction that wood is a far superior stock material as compared to whatever the FX synthetic stock is made. I suspect the FX stock is a urethane molding, it is very different from the fiberglass and carbon fiber stocks I have seen and the slightest touch with it in the rest caused the point of aim to shift very noticeably. In comparison, the cherry wood stock showed no tendency to flex at all. The point of aim never shifted whether I gripped the stock or used free recoil type shooting. Even after the gun has fired, the point of aim stays centered on the ten ring with no indication of motion in the point of aim...

To compare to the FX Royale picture in the top of this thread, here is the S400SL in the cherry stock:
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I'm now convinced that the FX Royale in a similar wood stock will be a serious contender...

Happy Shooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
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Nice looking gun Mitch. Do you like the 22 cal better that the .177?
Larry Burchfield

Larry,

After today's match, I'm still undecided about .177 caliber vs .22 caliber however the way the modified .22 caliber FX Royale shot today with its improved trigger, I'm going to reach for the .22 caliber pellet guns more and more.

I suspect there are too many variations in my selection of guns to pin it down to which pellet caliber has the distinct advantage and I find myself thinking pellet caliber has little to do with what shoots best, its more about the gun and how its tuned I'm coming to realize... One day I can make the .177 caliber guns shoot and other days I get the .22 caliber guns to work best for me. However the track record of the two calibers I'm beginning to see evolve weighs heavily in favor of the .22 caliber airgun.

Case in point, the Holbrook Indoor AGBR Match today, of seven shooters, 6 were shooting .22 caliber guns and one was shooting a .177 caliber gun.

Today, Doug Shea shot three 250 score targets with his Theoben .22 and won the match with a 750-21X aggregate.

Today, the top four place shooters in the match were all shooting .22 caliber guns... That's a pretty powerful argument for the .22 caliber pellet guns...

Happy Shooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
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New FX Royale wood benchrest stock

Mid October and the new FX Royale Black Cherry benchrest stock is now well under way:
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The biggest difference between this stock and the cherry stock for the Air Arms S400SL is the fact the FX Royale uses a front air bottle instead of a tube type air reservoir hence this stock is made of 6 boards laminated to make the forearm end large enough to have a 2.4" wide channel for the air bottle. Finished width will still be 3" however this stock will be higher at the receiver location by 7/8" as compared to the the Air Arms stock.

Updated 30 Oct. 2009 to add link to pictures of the new black cherry BR stock in progress:
http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/CapeRadio/FX_Royale Stock Inleting/?albumview=slideshow

Time warp to Dec. 26th & the finished stock:
http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/CapeRadio/FX_Royale BR Stock/?albumview=slideshow

Happy Shooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
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FX Royale 400

Very interested in what you have done so far with the FX. My experience has been primarily accurate custom varmint guns including a couple of Stolle actions. Was out of the shooting game for many years, but am now interested again. Recently got a customized Sako P94S and yesterday got my first air gun. It is an MCT Air Wolf.

Do you think the Air Wolf would have turned out any better than the FX? What do you think of your AA in the custom BR stock RE: performance? Would you consider getting a BR stock for an Air Wolf to shoot competitively or go with something else? Do you recommend getting a one peice rest instead of a sinclair front rest with windage top and rear bag?

I know these are a lot questions, but you seem to be very knowledgeble about this area. Thanks,

Chuck
 
Very interested in what you have done so far with the FX. My experience has been primarily accurate custom varmint guns including a couple of Stolle actions. Was out of the shooting game for many years, but am now interested again. Recently got a customized Sako P94S and yesterday got my first air gun. It is an MCT Air Wolf.

Do you think the Air Wolf would have turned out any better than the FX? What do you think of your AA in the custom BR stock RE: performance? Would you consider getting a BR stock for an Air Wolf to shoot competitively or go with something else? Do you recommend getting a one peice rest instead of a sinclair front rest with windage top and rear bag?

I know these are a lot questions, but you seem to be very knowledgeble about this area. Thanks,

Chuck

Hi Chuck,
You're in for a lot of fun with your new Air Wolf, I hear they are good guns. Regrettably I know very little about the Air Wolf, I've never shot one so can not make a comparison to the FX Royale... I, too, have come to PCP airgun shooting with a background of varmint shooting and I find precision BR airgun shooting to be a blast!.

As to getting a benchrest stock, all I can say is that if you are primarily interested in benchrest shooting, yes, a good heavy benchrest stock with a broad flat forearm is well worth considering. I've found a good benchrest stock to be the greatest single benefit to precision shooting followed by a sensitive, properly adjusted trigger. Actually, the BR stock and trigger go hand in hand however a heavy stable BR stock and rest set up will make a less sensitive trigger more usable to some extent. I place the rest as being lower on the pecking order of what benefits one's shooting the most as most rests can get the job they are intended for done, even simple sand bags. How exotic a rest you use is more a personal choice and convenience issue as I see it.

As to rests, I've never used the Sinclair front rest so, again, I can not make a fair comparison. I do shoot with either a front rest with windage top and rear bag similar to the Sinclair as well as the Von Ahrens one piece, and if used properly, the two piece setup of front rest and rear bag is just as accurate a method of shooting as a one piece rest. What a one piece rest buys you is better location of controls, better stability and better tracking as well as ease of use and better repeatability based on my own experience.

As to comparing the AA guns to the FX, I'm very partial to the Air Arms trigger which is outstanding, one of the best I've ever shot with and in my estimation the AA design and workmanship of the Air Arms guns is very good, a notch above the FX manufacturing quality. This is not to put the FX guns down, the FX Royal is an outstanding shooter and very accurate however, new from the box, it takes a bit of work to make it shoot like the Air Arms S400 series guns in my experience. But then I'm new to the AGBR type shooting myself, I started in early February of
2009 and have learned a lot along the way...

Happy shooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
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Mitch: Thanks for the reply. Not sure where I can get a BR stock for a large bottle gun. I wonder if Don Stith may consider making one.

Chuck
 
Mitch: Thanks for the reply. Not sure where I can get a BR stock for a large bottle gun. I wonder if Don Stith may consider making one.

Chuck

Chuck,
At present, I know of no one making BR stocks for airguns.

Don Stith has no interest in making BR stocks for front bottle airguns last I knew, and the only fellow that was making stocks for front bottle airguns was Mike Turner for the Theoben Rapids. Regrettably Mike Turner seems to have disappeared, his web site is gone last time I looked, and it appears he may no longer be making airgun stocks.

It is a lack of available BR stocks for airguns that has caused me to start designing and making my own BR stocks. Fortunately, being retired, I have time and a workshop and having been an oceanographic equipment designer with some background in pattern making, I'm used to innovating my own solutions.

And I have free wood, my choice of wood is black cherry as I have a selection of black cherry boards from some trees we cut down while reclaiming a pasture on my Uncle's retirement farm some 40 years ago. These boards have been drying in my cellar since and are now supplying me with some nice wood to experiment with a bit of stock making.

So far, so good, the first completed stock appears to be a success. Its very stable and rides the Von Ahrens rest like a dream. Tracking is perfect, the cross hairs never leave the 10 ring of the bullseye and I'm very pleased with how it has turned out. I'm now working on a second stock, one for the FX Royale with its 400 cc front bottle. At the moment the FX Royale stock progress is stopped waiting for a 2" round nosed Freud router bit that has been back ordered. The 2" bit is for routing the air bottle pocket in the forend of the stock.

Life would be a lot simpler if I had a CNC machine however as I have only conventional wood working tools aided by a 1970's vintage Bridgeport milling machine, my stock work is all manually done. Very low production and very labor intensive!

Happy Shooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
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How wide does the forend have to be?
Larry

Larry,

3.0" is what I make the forends of my stocks which is pretty much the standard as far as I have been able to determine.

To the best of my knowledge, for airgun benchrest shooting, there is no regulation or definition as to how wide the forend may be. As my stocks/guns are shot in AGBR unlimited class shooting, it is the front gun guide of the rest that I use that actually determines how wide I make the forends. Most shooting rests that I have used or seen will not accept a forend wider than 3.0" by much more than a 1/64" of an inch.

Happy Shooting,
Mitch & Shadow...
 
Aa 400

Mitch:

Looking at your stock for the AA it appears that it has a mutch better fore end for a rest support. It also, I suspect, would fit the special class in 50BR as an unregulated PCP shooting over 600 fps. The range/club I belong to has a weekly BR50 shoot and may be the most appropriate/convenient. Has your experiece with the AA shown that it is a very competitive set up? Do you know if there is a difference between the 410 and the 400 for accuracy? How do you like the side lever function?

If you have never tried the electronic trigger of a Daystate, I recommend trying one. It was so much better than my friends AZ Rapid trigger and bolt function. I have never pulled the trigger on an AA.

Again, thanks for the info you provide. Chuck
 
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The reason that I asked was because I have a Richards benchrest stock blank that my son miss ordered that I 'm not going to use. It came in totally non inleted and I'm not much of a wood worker. the only trouble is that it has a 2.5 inch forend.
Larry
 
I have been lurking on this site and find it fascinating. I have a serious question: Have you ever considered making the rest for the gun out of some reasonably stable wood? Pivots could be made with nylon flanged bushings and suppliers such as Travers provide a number of special screws at very reasonable costs. Wood probably has better damping qualities that aluminum.
I have been thinking of trying ( I am better at woodworking than shooting). Any thoughts?
 
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