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alinwa

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Wilbur, you decide whether or not this is fit fodder for your forum..... please.

So here in little Battle Ground Wa, population 15,571 we're an affluent enough group to have a "Skate Park," a multi-million dollar teen hangout for skateboarders. Next to it is a small Community Center with some retail. The skate park has been THE place to score illicit mind-altering substances since Day 1 but NOW, , , Ye Holie' Hempe is LEGAL in our state. You don't have to "score" anymore, you just walk up and buy........ and here's where this gets relevant.

The Community Center retail wing is entertaining store clients, ohhh like 'Gnarly-Boards-R-Us' and 'Saggin-N-Draggin T'reads' and such, maybe even a Fruits And Yoghurts Bar or BOttl'd OXyg'n.........

And 'Mary Jane's Cannabis Emporium.'




Actually 2 retailers have tendered offers for retail marijuana stores and been approved by the state.

So this is NEWS in our sleepy liddle town.

And the people are DIVIDED to say the least. And the latest twist is that the CC retail committee has decided 'NO' they will not allow a marijuana retail store in the Center. They just won't let their space to the marijuana dealers, they're "standing on principle" or whatever and just saying 'NO.'

And in my wee heart my first reaction was "good for them." :)

NOW, here's my reason for posting...... Am I RIGHT to deny the area youth easy access to a legal stimulant?

It's LEGAL......

What if I wanted to set up a nice indoor shooting range there, or maybe a small retail firearms outlet....I could get behind a Youth Shooting Program there at the Community Center.

I support guns and the use thereof with all my fiber.

Weed, not so much :rolleyes: I've got beaucoup kids of my own and I don't even drink let alone use recreational drugs.

So I'm all happy that the Community Center blatantly discriminated against the drug dealers.

I din't say I was RIGHT, I said I was HAPPY with this decision.

Is this maybe the same visceral reaction we're up against with at least some of the "anti-gun crowd?"

I bring this up for one reason, it is my opinion that we all need to prepare well-reasoned arguments in support of firearms acquisition and ownership. I've always felt that I AM reasonable and moreover quite open-minded, willing to accept others' views and opinions.....I'm also wildly supportive of Free Enterprise, capitalism is my mantra, I'm very pro-business.... I am a small business owner. I support small business with the same fervor I support gun trade and ownership.

But I find myself HAPPY to see a local company shut out a legal entrepeneurial enterprise.

I'm asking myself whether or not this is hypocritical.

Ain't sure yet......

opinions?

al
 
political,guns/pot/perception

I knew it would come to this , after all you have been invaded by pot smoking politicians.
You know they have lost Brain cells from smoking that shix. Just look at their logic in allowing that legislation to pass.
wait until the next round of problems, like paying for all of that Rehab down the road. Right now they are collection taxes on the legal sin.
later it will be raising property taxes to pay for Rehab of the pot heads.
ENJOY modern government at it's finest..
 
Just cause something is legal it doesn't mean it is right. It would seem the U.S and Canada have made many laws which are contrary to what is "right" and we applaude ourselves as being enlightened for doing so. How foolish have we become?
 
Hey Al just remember you live in the U.S. where you are entitled to your opinion, can be a hypocrite or buy porno. I can't believe burning anything and sucking it into your lungs is good for you. That is what life is making choices. Every little easing of a standard is a loss we will never get back. All good things will come to an end. If your town has enough people to not allow this then I would just smile and stay happy. Have a nice day. Stephen
 
Al, you are no hypocrite

A law may make something "legal", but it doesn't make it the right thing for society to do.
 
One part of me thinks its gonna be just like prohibition on alcohol in the 20s open the floodgates and look out another part of me says I don't like the govt. local or fed. telling me what I can or cant do. You just hope your kids and grandkids have enough sense to leave it alone. 190 proof liquor is legal but I don't drink the crap. Doug
 
All it boils down to is the local, state and feds make money off it so they can spend on stupid things. If they keep everybody high they can't see what the government is pulling off behind your back. …… jim
 
Weed may be legal in WA, but it's not legal for youth.

No analogy is perfect, but think of it like a liquor store. Not many community centers have them. There are also often regs about having them within some distance of a school, playground, etc. where kids congregate.
 
Sounds like, perhaps, the wording of the new regs needs a little fine tuning.

For a little over six years I was in violation of a Federal law ( I think its Fed) that said you can't have firearms within xyz distance of school property. Unfortunately my home at the time was 30 ft from the school property line. I also had FFL tickets all before that law was enacted, presented a bit of a problem if one was to obey the letter of the law. ( ya, I moved and dropped the ffls also)
 
blades said:
Sounds like, perhaps, the wording of the new regs needs a little fine tuning.

For a little over six years I was in violation of a Federal law ( I think its Fed) that said you can't have firearms within xyz distance of school property. Unfortunately my home at the time was 30 ft from the school property line. I also had FFL tickets all before that law was enacted, presented a bit of a problem if one was to obey the letter of the law. ( ya, I moved and dropped the ffls also)
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I believe that you're referring to the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990. It was overturned as unconstitutional in 1995.
 
SGJennings said:
I believe that you're referring to the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990. It was overturned as unconstitutional in 1995.
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This is more like where I'm coming from...... I can learn from my reaction to the marijuana issue and perhaps be more effective regarding firearms issues.

My reaction troubles me.....It's always easy to find like-minded people to validate one's opinions but my dilemma is different than that :)

I REALLY DO want my grandkids to have a more gun-friendly environment than it is now. The pot thing is a side-issue to me. I'm not asking about pot and it's legality, I'm asking "CAN I LEARN FROM THIS???"

And can I be a more effective advocate for GUN RIGHTS because of it.....

Thank you all for your interesting replies.

al
 
Vote with your pocket book (don't patronize the shop/shops) and go to the city council meetings and speak out.....The "Shoe" is on the other foot now and people generally don't like that. My personal pet peeve is cell phones and driving, legal but I don't think it's right (safe).
 
SGJennings said:
Weed may be legal in WA, but it's not legal for youth.
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Pot may be legal for adults in Washington, Colorado, and Oregon. Federal law still states that it is illegal, even if the President has stated this law won't be enforced.

There is also the issue of pot use and firearms ownership and possession, which has not yet been determined. This is a real issue, which not a lot of people know about. Don't believe me? What does Federal Form 4473 say on this?
 
alinwa said:
I'm asking "CAN I LEARN FROM THIS???"

al
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Al, You are a smart man, maybe even a wise one. You probably can learn form this too.

One thing I have learned is that there is always change. Most change is good and some not so good. We can all agree that race relations have changed for the better. We have seen a better acceptance of the gay lifestyle. Most of us have given up tobacco because it has been proven bad. Tattoos are as common as arm pits. ...and now Pot?

We have seen so much change. We have watched men walk on the moon and we have even seen the space shuttles placed in museums with nothing to replace them.

We are surely living in a time of great change. How much change must we be asked to accept?

Al, In my town, as in most, a special use to the zoning of a piece of property must be approved by the planning board and the city commission for a place to serve liquor, as well as, a state license. This is something that needs to be considered for the location of a pot depot. Red tape can be a good thing.

Concho Bill
 
No, you can't learn from this. You're either a pot smoker or you are not. Otherwise it doesn't matter. If you smoke pot, the new deal is that you can get it legally at some cost....as opposed to getting it otherwise....which you were doing in the first place. This new deal on pot is purely a grab for the money and you can bet both cheeks the previous dealers (those that are out) will come up with a better deal and it will be the same as it was before - except for the pot stores. A perceived problem would be that there are closet pot smokers that will now smoke pot because it's legal. Nonsense I think.....think being the key word. View pot stores as you would liquor stores and you can live with it more better.

Somewhere in there is my answer to your question.

In case you need this...I don't think so, but just in case:

The public at large doesn't care what you think. I care what you think but you can easily see how far that goes!
 
Bill Wynne said:
Red tape can be a good thing.
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Bill,

We are both old codgers and have witnessed great change during our lives (as you said), including the growth of "red tape" or government regulations. Some claim that "government is the problem" and advocate for repeal of many regulations or entire agencies. Of course there must be oversight, but for the issues I care about I've seen the multiple benefits of regulations designed to help solve some serious problems. Were it not for state and federal agencies and their regulations that manage wildlife, many of our game species never would have recovered after the market hunting days. The federal excise tax on arms and ammo that funds a big share of the states' management of wildlife is a tax--evil to some but a godsend for wildlife. Provisions in the federal farm bill affect wildlife habitat on millions of acres without which vast areas would be pretty barren.

It's easy to sit and gripe about "the guvment" and overlook the benefits of regulations, but without them we'd be in bad shape in many areas. And there are lots of examples where failure to regulate resulted in disasters.
 
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Asa Yam said:
Pot may be legal for adults in Washington, Colorado, and Oregon. Federal law still states that it is illegal, even if the President has stated this law won't be enforced.

There is also the issue of pot use and firearms ownership and possession, which has not yet been determined. This is a real issue, which not a lot of people know about. Don't believe me? What does Federal Form 4473 say on this?
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Excellent observation ASA Yam. Another real issue is the Drug- Free work place Act of 1988.



Glenn
 
govt.

I agree the govt. has done a lot for the wildlife national forest,BLM, wetlands, conservation areas, etc. But they've also went the other way too. My son works at a govt. office. The govt. will pay for terraces and waterways that means clearing your draws and ditches, small game habitat. He says there is somebody there every day signing up. The govt. has changed the landscape in a lot of our county. 14.00 dollar a bushel soybeans didn't help the wildlife habitat. Doug
 
political,guns/pot/perception

I cant see how anyone can see the logic in this.

Millions are spent on anti cigarette smoking ads and many have quit .

Now lets make pot legal?. Hummm?

So the new deal is what? cigarettes are bad for you but pot is OK?

Lets see here in New Yuck it $7 a pack tax how much tax for POT?

More cash for Government ? Is that what its all about?
 
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