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L.G
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Hey Guys, I would like opinions RWS brass or Norma, which is of better quality. Thanks
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L.G
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30-338 win.mag.for target shooting
LG -
Howdy !
I shoot a 6mm wildcat, based on 7 X64 Brenneke as the parent brass ( .466" base diam ). I have used only Norma brand 7X64 brass, to-date. Many have called Noram brass " soft ".
I anneal the shoulder juncture on the 7X64 brass, before doing the neck-down/shoulder " shove " necessary to form my 6mm wildcat.
The Norma brass is easy to work with, and helps me produce a great final product ( accurate ammo ).
I have in mind, to try some RWS-brand 7X64 brass ( from Huntington Die Specialists ); but have not done so... as yet.
With regards,
.357Mag
Howdy !
I shoot a 6mm wildcat, based on 7 X64 Brenneke as the parent brass ( .466" base diam ). I have used only Norma brand 7X64 brass, to-date. Many have called Noram brass " soft ".
I anneal the shoulder juncture on the 7X64 brass, before doing the neck-down/shoulder " shove " necessary to form my 6mm wildcat.
The Norma brass is easy to work with, and helps me produce a great final product ( accurate ammo ).
I have in mind, to try some RWS-brand 7X64 brass ( from Huntington Die Specialists ); but have not done so... as yet.
With regards,
.357Mag
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L.G
Guest
Thanks I have ordered 140'pieces of Norma from Grafs that was all they had, And I have never used RWS.
Fergus Bailey
New member
I used to form 308 Baer cases from RWS 375H&H brass for long range BR, and I would rate that brass as fully equal to the Lapua 220 Russian casa I use in my 6PPCs. I have used other RWS cases in hunting rifles with no issue, but not in any match shooting context.
The first brass I tried in my 308 Baer was Norma 338 WBY, and that was good for one shot after forming, maybe 2 shots if I was lucky. At that point the primers would barely stay in the primer pocket. I have no experience with Norma brass manufactured in the last 10 years though, so this may no longer be an issue?
The first brass I tried in my 308 Baer was Norma 338 WBY, and that was good for one shot after forming, maybe 2 shots if I was lucky. At that point the primers would barely stay in the primer pocket. I have no experience with Norma brass manufactured in the last 10 years though, so this may no longer be an issue?
Butch Lambert
Active member
I think RWS is equal to Lapua. I buy mine from Ralf Martini in Canada. He is a good honest guy. You can google his info.
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L.G
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Guys, I appreciate the replies.
Gross generalizations, but I've used a lot of each over the years.
Norma is the "best" dimensionally. RWS is the toughest. Lapua falls in between. & BTW, Winchester can be pretty tough. If you live in the States, you can throw away a lot of Winchester cases & still spend about the same amount of money...
Not everyone finds joy with the highest pressure loads. If that's you, Norma will work just fine. In my .338/404 I use Norma brass; I load to just under 60,000 psi (calculated). Primer pockets are fine. If I loaded hotter, I'd have to break into my diminishing stock of RWS .404 brass. That's one RWS says they'll never make again, sigh. But if I load hotter, accuracy goes down, so Norma isn't a problem here.
With a .30/338, you'll likely find the best day-in, day-out powder to be H-4831. That from 3-times National champion Danny Brooks, who uses a stock .300 Win Mag. It took me 10 years to find the wisdom of his ways, as I wasted time exploring higher velocities and often higher pressures. I've only used RWS for my .30 chambering (8x68 necked down to .30), so I don't know if the new Norma 8x68 brass would work for me or not, but I imagine when these cases get tired, I'll find out.
It sure loves 4831.
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For consistency, I prefer RWS. I've had Lapus brass in a .308 that was the best dimensionally I've ever used, even better than the .22 Russian. But the .30/06 Lapua cases were so bad only 50% had less than .005 wall variation. RWS just hangs in there, with most all cases in whatever chambering running under .004 wall variation. And the primer pockets usually aren't so deep, which lets you use the Russian primers, if you choose.
FWIW
Norma is the "best" dimensionally. RWS is the toughest. Lapua falls in between. & BTW, Winchester can be pretty tough. If you live in the States, you can throw away a lot of Winchester cases & still spend about the same amount of money...
Not everyone finds joy with the highest pressure loads. If that's you, Norma will work just fine. In my .338/404 I use Norma brass; I load to just under 60,000 psi (calculated). Primer pockets are fine. If I loaded hotter, I'd have to break into my diminishing stock of RWS .404 brass. That's one RWS says they'll never make again, sigh. But if I load hotter, accuracy goes down, so Norma isn't a problem here.
With a .30/338, you'll likely find the best day-in, day-out powder to be H-4831. That from 3-times National champion Danny Brooks, who uses a stock .300 Win Mag. It took me 10 years to find the wisdom of his ways, as I wasted time exploring higher velocities and often higher pressures. I've only used RWS for my .30 chambering (8x68 necked down to .30), so I don't know if the new Norma 8x68 brass would work for me or not, but I imagine when these cases get tired, I'll find out.
It sure loves 4831.
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For consistency, I prefer RWS. I've had Lapus brass in a .308 that was the best dimensionally I've ever used, even better than the .22 Russian. But the .30/06 Lapua cases were so bad only 50% had less than .005 wall variation. RWS just hangs in there, with most all cases in whatever chambering running under .004 wall variation. And the primer pockets usually aren't so deep, which lets you use the Russian primers, if you choose.
FWIW
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bjld
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I use 7x57 Norma and 6.5x57 RWS brass formed into 6 AI.
Both stand high pressure loads well but the Norma brass fits my Manson chamber and Redding dies better.
The RWS is narrower at the base so it expands more when fired and doesn't full length size as well.
I've seen none of the Norma-loose-primer-pockets that seems to be verbatim across the internet.
Mind you, I chose case capacity rather than excessive pressure to drive the 6mm bullets fast.
Regards
Ben
Both stand high pressure loads well but the Norma brass fits my Manson chamber and Redding dies better.
The RWS is narrower at the base so it expands more when fired and doesn't full length size as well.
I've seen none of the Norma-loose-primer-pockets that seems to be verbatim across the internet.
Mind you, I chose case capacity rather than excessive pressure to drive the 6mm bullets fast.
Regards
Ben
L.G.
If it was my money I would use the RWS brass.
I am using Norma brass in a couple 300 WSM heavyguns and with weenie loads it shoots good and is pretty consistent.I tried a couple thousand pieces of Norma 300 Weatherby and 340 Weatherby in 300 Ackley and 308 Baer and with relatively light loads 74-77 grains the primers would fall out at 3-4 firings.Unfortunately best accuracy was at 81.5 grains so you fireformed the brass then shot it once and threw it out.
If my memory is still any good Norma 300 and 340 Weatherby brass weighs around 220 grains while the RWS brass weighs in at 298 grains.It took less powder to achieve the same velocities and 5 shots with tight primers was a snap.
Lynn
If it was my money I would use the RWS brass.
I am using Norma brass in a couple 300 WSM heavyguns and with weenie loads it shoots good and is pretty consistent.I tried a couple thousand pieces of Norma 300 Weatherby and 340 Weatherby in 300 Ackley and 308 Baer and with relatively light loads 74-77 grains the primers would fall out at 3-4 firings.Unfortunately best accuracy was at 81.5 grains so you fireformed the brass then shot it once and threw it out.
If my memory is still any good Norma 300 and 340 Weatherby brass weighs around 220 grains while the RWS brass weighs in at 298 grains.It took less powder to achieve the same velocities and 5 shots with tight primers was a snap.
Lynn
Butch Lambert
Active member
Lynn, Annie Elliott shot this 5 shot group at 100yds tuning her new barrel on her 300WSM.
