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A friend has a sleeved 700 action rifle that was Hart build many years ago according to the guy who sold it to him. It's a 6x47 with a Hart 2 oz. trigger and wood BR stock.

He said that instead of a metal single shot adapter there is a piece of what looks like felt material to place the cartridge on. Anybody have any info on this method of making a single shot out of a repeater??

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I have 3 of those. Its just a filler that they put in. It held in basicly by the sleeve.
Just glued in at the bottom of the action. Sometimes its a pain but it works.
Your better off buying the aluminum adaptor if your thinking about a loading ramp for a 700 or other action.
 
Thank you for that information. I looked at the rifle briefly but did not notice the felt filler. I just wanted to confirm that it's something the gunsmith would have done. He said the action is glued in so that might be an issue if I want to put an aluminum adaptor in. But, I think I will buy the rifle from him. He wants $600 for the rifle, 100 pieces of brass, bag of bullets, dies, pound of powder, rings, etc. I'm sure the barrel will need to be replaced if I want to get serious but for now I just want to get back to reloading for a rifle and shooting decent groups.

Thanks again for the info.
 
Hank you never know on a barrel. Its a fair deal for $600 They did some 40x rifles too, Those sleeved guns shoot""" Good luck on your purchase.
 
Hank,
I'd have a qualified gunsmith borescope the barrel to see what condition it's in. Sounds like it's a trued 700, which alone is worth $600. This
seems like a good deal even if it needs rebarreled. A good trued Rem. 700 action can shoot with custom actions that are twice the price.
 
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Thanks

for all of the information, folks. I had hoped to pick the rifle up tomorrow but now it will be next week. The owner and I are 4 hours apart and just need to get our schedules worked out. It will be fun to shoot an accurate centerfire again.

I don't know a gunsmith in this area with a bore scope so will start looking. Now I wish I hadn't sold most of my BR loading gadgets back when...things have gone up...:eek:
 
700 prices

jack1000 said:
Hank,
I'd have a qualified gunsmith borescope the barrel to see what condition it's in. Sounds like it's a trued 700, which alone is worth $600. This
seems like a good deal even if it needs rebarreled. A good trued Rem. 700 action can shoot with custom actions that are twice the price.
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I recently found an old receipt for a 700BDL varmint special I bought in 1978. $380.oo was the purchase price. Someone told me I could probably get $300 for the action and trigger. Trigger has received the BR conversion. If that's the case then it depreciated 80 bucks in 34 years. Custom actions loose a much larger chunk of their value in a couple of years if the selling prices for modern used BR rifles is an indication. Something doesn't ring true with his statement.
Andy.
 
jack1000 said:
Hank,
Sounds like it's a trued 700, which alone is worth $600.
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Well, as always, something's worth what someone will pay for it.

What's the current price on the 700 clones as offered by Borden, Stiller, Kelbly, etc.? A trued Remington just isn't worth quite that much. Some time ago, I got a Stiller 40-X clone for $690, like everything else, they've probably gone up. It was a lot nicer than a trued Remington, though not necessarily a better performer. As you say, a very well done Remington -- if timed as well as trued -- can shoot as well as anything.
 
I[ve got to get better with this computer thing. Tried to post pictures in two posts and never got it right. Anyway, I finally got a couple shots of the action sleeve and the piece of felt. I added them to the first post and want to say "THANKS" for all the replies.
Hank
 
One last update on this old rifle and shooter and I wont bother you folks again..

Finally took the 6x47 to the range for the first time today. Talk about a rocky start. It's been about 15 years since I shot a BR rifle and it showed. First of 7 groups at 100 yds was a .610". But as I shot more, a few things came back to me and the next to the last group was a .340". I tried to put it all together on the last group and got a .185". That's not all that good by todays standards but for a rifle that's probably pushing 40, it will have to do. I'm looking forward to working on loads and having fun with it...:D

Thanks again for all the info.
 
One last update on this old rifle and shooter and I wont bother you folks again..
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Why..? Hank, you are probably at home here on BRC.... Anyone striving for ACCURACY/PRECISION in at home here.
Keep coming back and every now and again start, answer or add to a thread...

Congrats on that Benchrest rifle... Nice one..!

cale
 
Andy Cross said:
I recently found an old receipt for a 700BDL varmint special I bought in 1978. $380.oo was the purchase price. Someone told me I could probably get $300 for the action and trigger. Andy.
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I bought a 700 Varmint Special in the 1960's for $189. Oh well.

On the feed ramp question, my guess is that method was used before Alvin Davidson and others started making them out of metal. If the stock will allow, height wise, get a Davidson type ramp and fit it in the opening and epoxy it in place. This may require some milling or grinding of the edges of the new ramp since a Davidson was made to fit in the magazine cutout counterbore from the bottom. Call Wally or Bobby Hart for suggestions (570) 752-3655.
 
caroby said:
Why..? Hank, you are probably at home here on BRC.... Anyone striving for ACCURACY/PRECISION in at home here.
Keep coming back and every now and again start, answer or add to a thread...

Congrats on that Benchrest rifle... Nice one..!

cale
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Thanks for the invite...it's not that I will not be visiting but when I see how much the BR sport has progress since when I dabbled in it in the late 80's - early 90's, I feel like I've leaped into a time future dimension....so many great improvements in equipment and the shooters skills are superb. And, I learn something everytime I come here. Lots of great folks.

Jerrysharrett, I call the Hart's and a follower in on the way. Very nice people; had a little chat with the young lady about some of the history of their business which was very informative. I appreciate you sending the phone number.

Hank
 
Hank said:
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Jerrysharrett, I call the Hart's and a follower in on the way. Very nice people; had a little chat with the young lady about some of the history of their business which was very informative. I appreciate you sending the phone number.

Hank
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There is a great possibility that Wally Hart installed that action sleeve. Nice folks and nice to do business with. The Wally Harts are among the First Families of benchrest.

Edit- I hadn't looked at your pictures. Looks like Bob or PJ may have done that sleeve.
 
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Hank,
From your picture you appear to have a remington sleeved by Clyde and his son Paul Hart the barrel makers. Robert was Clyde's brother who moved down into Pennsylvania and was the action maker. Robert's son was Wally and Wally's boy was Bobby. The trigger was made by Robert the action maker.

Martin
 
martin zuck said:
Hank,
From your picture you appear to have a remington sleeved by Clyde and his son Paul Hart the barrel makers. Robert was Clyde's brother who moved down into Pennsylvania and was the action maker. Robert's son was Wally and Wally's boy was Bobby. The trigger was made by Robert the action maker.

Martin
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The lady I spoke to at RW Harts today suggested I call Paul the barrel maker and see if he could give me any information about the rifle I have. She said there had been a recent loss in the family so I will wait until sometime next week to call about my rifle. I've been in my little reloading area tonight trying to dust off some of the cobwebs about case prep and other things that help accuracy. I'd be like a kid a Christmas if I could find a load that would consistently shoot in the .2's in this old rifle. Not likely but it's something to work toward...
 
Hank,
If the barrel is still decent it might just suprise you. Sometimes this cartridge shot right along side the 6ppc. I said SOMETIMES! Is the neck dia. marked on the barrel? Brass might be a little hard to come by but it's around. Also wood stocks by their very nature sometimes tended to be less than stable. This was the main reason for sleeved actions which continued over into early synthetics. It might also be worth the effort to smear a little lamp black on the bottom of the sleeve to see what kind of a bearing you have, assuming the reciever is screwed in. If its a glue in make sure its not in the process of comming loose.

Martin
 
The neck diameter is not marked anywhere that I can find. Fired brass measures .267-.2675 at the neck. I'l see if I have anything to put on the sleeve to check the fit. But, when the 3 action screws are tightened, everything feels solid. There is no movement or rocking before tightening the screws.
 
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