OK Whats The Scoop On This New Lot Of 8208

KEITH MYERS

KEITH MYERS

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I am referring to 122910. As some of you already know I have been in contact with a few shooters testing this new lot of 8208. We have also been getting conflicting info from the people pulling down the actual rounds on where this powder is coming from. Can anyone actually prove this is 8208? How easy it seems that anyone can put powder in a plastic jug and call it 8208. You notice the price is higher for this new 8208 compared to other lots of military powder. Comments,thoughts,and feedback are welcomed.
 
"How easy it seems that anyone can put powder in a plastic jug and call it 8208."

What this lot AAC 122910 is.....

Bit dirty........ 8208 "like".......Check.
Kernel size... Not REALLY uniform in lengths but small diam is a plus.....8208 "like".....Check...
Dense and goes through a measure very well....8208 "like"........ Check...

What's different..........
Shoots well in cool medium humidity weather conditions <70 deg >40% humidity.... Typically not 8208 "like"....
Again apperance is "close" but different... Shinny kernels and irregular lenghts.. Smell.... Not the typically STRONG Dupont IMR8208 Acetone smell that'll knock your socks off ...!..Different... Real Dupont IMR8208 has small very regular shaped kernels that are coal black no shine. Dupont IMR8208 IS my benchmark for consistency of TOP notch powder measure powder performance.... Easily < .09 of a grain ES... None other compairs.... Though....This AAC 122910 is darn close....! Getting about .14gr ES... Very promising..!

So far........ It shoots... RIGHT with 133..(in cool temps <70 deg).... Same Vel with less pressure, within 15 -20 FPS..Same POI... All this with same Volume of load (which is NOT same weight -- 133 is lighter for same given volume)..
This lot AAC 122910 is.... Well Let me say... It's a bit different, but is Promising....!...???....?

My BIG question is ???............. Will it shoot in the DRY HEAT and at High Altitude......... A Dupont IMR 8208 hallmark...! Like NO other..!

cale
 
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One of the reasons I questioned this powder as being 8208 is I talked to the company pulling down this powder and they said it was manufactured by Accurate Arms. Is that why there is an AA prefix on the lot number?
 
"they said it was manufactured by Accurate Arms. Is that why there is an AA prefix on the lot number? "

Interesting Keith........ I was told by Dan that this is from a de mil 5.56 >tracer< round....... Of 1983 manufacture...

All I can say is this AAC 122910 IS different............ I just don't know what it really is or who made it....?..

STILL......

It holds promise........ So far...

cale
 
Keith,

Yes, ACC is Accurate Arms manufacture. Currenlty Army Ammunition Activity is running this lot number to see what they can tell me. It diffently is old and they told me they will have to resort to Micro-Fiche.

Hovis
 
why don't you post your n133 thrown spread....your .9 is suppose to be a .09...right ?...that is what i got with thunderbird...

caroby said:
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off ...!..Different... Real Dupont IMR8208 has small very regular shaped kernels that are coal black no shine. Dupont IMR8208 IS my benchmark for consistency of TOP notch powder measure powder performance.... Easily < .9 of a grain ES... None other compairs.... Though....This AAC 122910 is darn close....! Getting about .14gr ES... Very promising..!


....!...???....?


cale
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I dont have any idea what you guys are talking about but i bought a new can of IMR 8208xbr and all i can say is ....phooey!..
and that plastic is really hard to get out of the barrel.
 
Mark-x,

Were diffenently not talking about the new IMR 8208 XBR. The 8208 were talking about hasn't been made in decades and only comes from loaded ammunition that is demilled (pulled apart)

Hovis
 
Thanks hovisKM, yea i kind of knew that, I was just shooting for a laugh...
but i have tryed the new 8208, no good on the can i got.
you would think they could have got it right?? Maybe they will give it another try after this stuff get sold or burned up..??
 
mark-x said:
Thanks hovisKM, yea i kind of knew that, I was just shooting for a laugh...
but i have tryed the new 8208, no good on the can i got.
you would think they could have got it right?? Maybe they will give it another try after this stuff get sold or burned up..??
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I "hear" that Accurate Arms is "working" on a current production 8208 version of their own..............??? Will they get it right...????

cale
 
"accurate arms" does not exsit....
it is now a brand offered from western...aka ramshot line of powders.
mike in co
caroby said:
I "hear" that Accurate Arms is "working" on a current production 8208 version of their own..............??? Will they get it right...????

cale
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Just an update, AAA representive is going to start up the micro-fiche this afternoon and start researching this lot number. Hopefully he'll have some luck and find an answer by the end of next week. He got authorization for this because of the possible descrepancy between what the powder maybe and what it is. This raises a liability and safety concern, especially if DRMO didn't give the correct disclosure of components. They are trying to run this from both ends.

Hovis
 
Lot #

Could it be possible that the lot # is not really the actual lot # at time of manufacture? Could the lot # be what the guys came up with when they pulled down the ammo on Dec. 29th of 2010 (122910)? Might help to know the exact lot # of the ammunition, and the manufacturer.

Michael
 
I have just tested a few loads in a 6ppc. No velocities yet. Just a comparison and this is just visual and "feel". But I think it is just about the same burn rate as XBR8208. For sure a different look. This new/old pull down 8208 looks like a smaller gain size N133. Also the smell is similar but I would expect that for a powder about 30 years old. I can shoot 31.5 grains XBR8208 in my 6ppc and that is about max as far as pressure and capacity. This new/old pull down is exactly the same. 31.5 comes about 1/3 up the neck with a slow trickle. Primer looks about the same as 31.5 of XBR8208 all this behind a 66 grain bullet. I suspect this is on the upper limits, so take the proper safety measures.

Donald
 
I am liking this stuff more and more every time i shoot it. Aggs really well for me in this particular barrel i am currently shooting. 30 grains = 3390 in 55-60 degree weather. The agg was in the teens!! If only i could do that during a real match!!! LOL!!! I have been shooting some original Fowler FB bullets as well. Boy are those some good bullets!! Lee
 
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Still waiting to here from AAA but talked to Mr. Murdica about this powder at Holton. His understanding is this was overseas NATO 5.56 ammo that was shipped into the U.S. and then pulled down. Lou is very knowledgable about powder and he stated that under a micro-scope, it looked like VV N133. It seems to me that it acts like Scottish H322 in how it shoots and cleans, which makes sense.

A few things are for sure:

1. It's dirty
2. It shoots well
3. It's cheap

Lou also mentioned what is coming down the pike but I'm going to leave that to him or someone more knowledgable than myself to talk about that. I do want to take time to thank Lou for sharing what he knows and putting forth a lot of effort to bring stuff to this sport.

Hovis
 
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