New to Benchrest shooting and new here - 270 Win

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As per the title I am very new to Benchrest shooting and new on this forum.

A bit of background first:-
Came to work in Ohio from the UK in 1998 and bought a Grant Dick sporterized Mauser 98 chambered in 270 Win back in 1999 at a local auction with a Redfield scope.
Bought it because in America I could own a firearm and to my unpracticed eye this rifle looked nothing short of beautiful with its Birds Eye Maple stock and deep bluing.
It has a 26" Douglas barrel with 1:10 twist.
Receiver is glass bedded with free floated barrel.

I shot a couple boxes of ammo through it at some paper shortly after buying it but since then it lay untouched and unused until a couple of months ago.
[I shoot trap and have never been a hunter]

Recently a good friend introduced me to target shooting, he had taken it up as a hobby a couple of years ago.
So I got out the Mauser 98 and have at long last a good enjoyable use for this rifle.

Quickly realized that it needed a more powerful scope so have fitted it up with a Nikon MONARCH 3 6-24x50 SF Fine Crosshair scope.
My good friend has taught me all the basics of hand loading and I am now set up with Lee equipment and getting into the science of loading various test loads.
So have come quite a long way in a couple of months.

I clearly understand that this M98 in 270 Win is not a good benchrest rifle, BUT it is a good starting point to play with and see if I can learn to shoot it well and find loads that this specific rifle likes.
Sorry for the length of the introduction but hopefully the above shows where I am in this interesting new hobby which suits my Engineering mentality ;)

So some advice is needed:-

Rifle Lands.
The rifle lands measure at 3.565" with the Sierra Matchking, way longer than possible to load bullets 0.015" off the lands or on the lands and have the bullet still sitting in the brass!
A 270 Win max COL is normally 3.340" if bullets are to fit the magazine.
My recent test loads were based on using Berger 140 grain VLD's and the Sierra Matchking 135 grain.
I have loaded both with a COL of 3.410" and they chamber ok and the results are getting better.
All loads have been based on IMR 4350, no other powder at the moment and CCI primers.
Comments please??

Bullets
I have read that 270 Win shoots pretty flat with high muzzle velocities and over 3000 FPS
Max FPS tested at the moment is around 2950 FPS proven through my friends Chronograph.
To load at maybe 3300 FPS I need to go to a much lighter bullet to keep the pressures down.
I am thinking of trying some 110 grain Bergers, but really unsure where to go with bullet selection at a much lighter weight.

All comments, advice and any help will be very much appreciated!

Here are some photos of this rifle:-
m98270win1.jpg m98270win2.jpg m98270win3.jpg

Thank very much!

Roy

Beloit, OH 44609
http://www.g4dyr.com
 
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As per the title I am very new to Benchrest shooting and new on this forum.

A bit of background first:-
Came to work in Ohio from the UK in 1998 and bought a Grant Dick sporterized Mauser 98 chambered in 270 Win back in 1999 at a local auction with a Redfield scope.
Bought it because in America I could own a firearm and to my unpracticed eye this rifle looked nothing short of beautiful with its Birds Eye Maple stock and deep bluing.
It has a 26" Douglas barrel with 1:10 twist.
Receiver is glass bedded with free floated barrel.

I shot a couple boxes of ammo through it at some paper shortly after buying it but since then it lay untouched and unused until a couple of months ago.
[I shoot trap and have never been a hunter]

Recently a good friend introduced me to target shooting, he had taken it up as a hobby a couple of years ago.
So I got out the Mauser 98 and have at long last a good enjoyable use for this rifle.

Quickly realized that it needed a more powerful scope so have fitted it up with a Nikon MONARCH 3 6-24x50 SF Fine Crosshair scope.
My good friend has taught me all the basics of hand loading and I am now set up with Lee equipment and getting into the science of loading various test loads.
So have come quite a long way in a couple of months.

I clearly understand that this M98 in 270 Win is not a good benchrest rifle, BUT it is a good starting point to play with and see if I can learn to shoot it well and find loads that this specific rifle likes.
Sorry for the length of the introduction but hopefully the above shows where I am in this interesting new hobby which suits my Engineering mentality ;)

So some advice is needed:-

Rifle Lands.
The rifle lands measure at 3.565" with the Sierra Matchking, way longer than possible to load bullets 0.015" off the lands or on the lands and have the bullet still sitting in the brass!
A 270 Win max COL is normally 3.340" if bullets are to fit the magazine.
My recent test loads were based on using Berger 140 grain VLD's and the Sierra Matchking 135 grain.
I have loaded both with a COL of 3.410" and they chamber ok and the results are getting better.
All loads have been based on IMR 4350, no other powder at the moment and CCI primers.
Comments please??

Bullets
I have read that 270 Win shoots pretty flat with high muzzle velocities and over 3000 FPS
Max FPS tested at the moment is around 2950 FPS proven through my friends Chronograph.
To load at maybe 3300 FPS I need to go to a much lighter bullet to keep the pressures down.
I am thinking of trying some 110 grain Bergers, but really unsure where to go with bullet selection at a much lighter weight.

All comments, advice and any help will be very much appreciated!

Here are some photos of this rifle:-
View attachment 17637 View attachment 17638 View attachment 17639

Thank very much!

Roy

Beloit, OH 44609
http://www.g4dyr.com

She's a Grand Ol' Girl eh.....welcome to The Greatest Quest with the nicest group of nerds on the planet. IMO your first job should be to achieve consistent 1moa precision while eliminating case growth. My first word of advice is to scrupulously examine your scope mounting system........seems counter intuitive but very few scopes in the world are correctly mounted.

Check your local library system for a copy of Harold Vaughn's 'Rifle Accuracy Facts' he did a lot of work with the 270
 
She's a Grand Ol' Girl eh.....welcome to The Greatest Quest with the nicest group of nerds on the planet. IMO your first job should be to achieve consistent 1moa precision while eliminating case growth. My first word of advice is to scrupulously examine your scope mounting system........seems counter intuitive but very few scopes in the world are correctly mounted.

Check your local library system for a copy of Harold Vaughn's 'Rifle Accuracy Facts' he did a lot of work with the 270

Thanks, here we are with a new term "case growth" ?

I fitted new complete weaver scope mounts and I can elevate it ok to hit something at 400 yards, maybe not exactly what I am aiming at ... Lol
But the scope does appear to work well.

Will be looking up Rifle Accuracy Facts.

Roy
Beloit, OH 44609
Http://www.g4dyr.com
 
Hello Roy! Welcome to Benchrest!

As per the title I am very new to Benchrest shooting and new on this forum.

A bit of background first:-
Came to work in Ohio from the UK in 1998 and bought a Grant Dick sporterized Mauser 98 chambered in 270 Win back in 1999 at a local auction with a Redfield scope.
Bought it because in America I could own a firearm and to my unpracticed eye this rifle looked nothing short of beautiful with its Birds Eye Maple stock and deep bluing.
It has a 26" Douglas barrel with 1:10 twist.
Receiver is glass bedded with free floated barrel.

I shot a couple boxes of ammo through it at some paper shortly after buying it but since then it lay untouched and unused until a couple of months ago.
[I shoot trap and have never been a hunter]

Recently a good friend introduced me to target shooting, he had taken it up as a hobby a couple of years ago.
So I got out the Mauser 98 and have at long last a good enjoyable use for this rifle.

Quickly realized that it needed a more powerful scope so have fitted it up with a Nikon MONARCH 3 6-24x50 SF Fine Crosshair scope.
My good friend has taught me all the basics of hand loading and I am now set up with Lee equipment and getting into the science of loading various test loads.
So have come quite a long way in a couple of months.

I clearly understand that this M98 in 270 Win is not a good benchrest rifle, BUT it is a good starting point to play with and see if I can learn to shoot it well and find loads that this specific rifle likes.
Sorry for the length of the introduction but hopefully the above shows where I am in this interesting new hobby which suits my Engineering mentality ;)

So some advice is needed:-

Rifle Lands.
The rifle lands measure at 3.565" with the Sierra Matchking, way longer than possible to load bullets 0.015" off the lands or on the lands and have the bullet still sitting in the brass!
A 270 Win max COL is normally 3.340" if bullets are to fit the magazine.
My recent test loads were based on using Berger 140 grain VLD's and the Sierra Matchking 135 grain.
I have loaded both with a COL of 3.410" and they chamber ok and the results are getting better.
All loads have been based on IMR 4350, no other powder at the moment and CCI primers.
Comments please??

Bullets
I have read that 270 Win shoots pretty flat with high muzzle velocities and over 3000 FPS
Max FPS tested at the moment is around 2950 FPS proven through my friends Chronograph.
To load at maybe 3300 FPS I need to go to a much lighter bullet to keep the pressures down.
I am thinking of trying some 110 grain Bergers, but really unsure where to go with bullet selection at a much lighter weight.

All comments, advice and any help will be very much appreciated!

Here are some photos of this rifle:-
View attachment 17637 View attachment 17638 View attachment 17639

Thank very much!

Roy

Beloit, OH 44609
http://www.g4dyr.com

Hello Roy!

Why don't you come up to the Chippewa Rifle club some Saturday as my guest? It won't cost you anything... The Chippewa Rifle Club is located just north of you near Doylestown, OH. I am there almost every Sat., except during match weekends. We have a great group of BR shooter's who practice together there every Saturday.

I would be more than glad to help you with your rifle, answer your questions, and let you shoot one of my BR rifles!

Please feel free to give me a call on my Cell: 336-542-8711

Jack Neary

NBRSA Eastern Region, Director and Team Lapua
 
Also see you are a HAM. I am a retired Part 121 Driver and still teach and am a HAM - WA2YDV. Maybe we will catch up on 80 meters. Also new to Bench Rest Shooting, but I have been shooting registered skeet for years. I am signed up for the Williamsport 1,000 Yard Bench Rest School in June. How about Scuba diving? Since you have a boat as I also do. A lot of us Pilots are also divers. There is a Prism Tri-Mix Rebreather always at the ready on my boat.

73 Bob
 
Hello Roy!

Why don't you come up to the Chippewa Rifle club some Saturday as my guest? It won't cost you anything... The Chippewa Rifle Club is located just north of you near Doylestown, OH. I am there almost every Sat., except during match weekends. We have a great group of BR shooter's who practice together there every Saturday.

I would be more than glad to help you with your rifle, answer your questions, and let you shoot one of my BR rifles!

Please feel free to give me a call on my Cell: 336-542-8711

Jack Neary

NBRSA Eastern Region, Director and Team Lapua

Jack that is very nice of you!

I pass Chippewa often to and from PIT airport and know the general area.
I will give you a call soon and hopefully be able to visit your club with you.

Thank very much!

Roy
 
Also see you are a HAM. I am a retired Part 121 Driver and still teach and am a HAM - WA2YDV. Maybe we will catch up on 80 meters. Also new to Bench Rest Shooting, but I have been shooting registered skeet for years. I am signed up for the Williamsport 1,000 Yard Bench Rest School in June. How about Scuba diving? Since you have a boat as I also do. A lot of us Pilots are also divers. There is a Prism Tri-Mix Rebreather always at the ready on my boat.

73 Bob

Hi Bob,

Yes I dabble in too much stuff, Ham radio is a Winter hobby, can talk back to Ham friends in England using an 80 Meter dipole.
The Ham equipment does not eat anything and shares the shack with the shotguns and a lone rifle.

Being a licensed pilot and flying my Piper Archer is the fulfillment of a lifelong passion.
Getting my scuba open water dive certificate a couple of years ago was another bucket list item accomplished ...lol
Here are some video links >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSOiNmyDLg
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxfP4JUfMO8

And you might guess making videos is another passtime ...lol

Now time to get all those bullets through the same hole!!

Roy
 
Jack that is very nice of you!

I pass Chippewa often to and from PIT airport and know the general area.
I will give you a call soon and hopefully be able to visit your club with you.

Thank very much!

Roy

Jack,

I found the Chippewa Rifle Club website, but no actual details giving its location.
I cant find any rifle club near Chippawa, PA.
What is the street address?

Thanks

Roy
 
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