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NBRSA (group) and IBS (score) reticles?
- Thread starter Charles E
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David Halblom
Flying Fish Fundamentals
Just out of idle curiosity, does either of these include .338 in their official scoring reticles?
For example, it would be easy for me to show up at a 200 yard unlimited match with a .338...Hey, I'd be another paying customer. A .338 for Score would be harder...
In A word.....NO
David
Thanks, David.
So, a little more idle curiosity, if someone shows up with a .338 chambering (perfectly legal), how would the (group or score) target be scored?
BTW, some of the new Berger .338 hybrids are turning in an inordinate number of 10-shot groups in the 3-inch region at 1,000 yards. That's a little harder than a group in the zeros at 100.
Even me, just for the hell of it, fired a 5-shot group at 100 yards with the .300-grain Hybrids. It was a flat .100. Fortunately, I ran out of bullets, or I'd have scared myself thinking on the possibilities. Esp. the notion that long-range bullets can't be made to be accurate enough to compete at short range. Wind drift, of course, is half what is is with a PPC, and it's always the mistakes that get you.
So, a little more idle curiosity, if someone shows up with a .338 chambering (perfectly legal), how would the (group or score) target be scored?
BTW, some of the new Berger .338 hybrids are turning in an inordinate number of 10-shot groups in the 3-inch region at 1,000 yards. That's a little harder than a group in the zeros at 100.
Even me, just for the hell of it, fired a 5-shot group at 100 yards with the .300-grain Hybrids. It was a flat .100. Fortunately, I ran out of bullets, or I'd have scared myself thinking on the possibilities. Esp. the notion that long-range bullets can't be made to be accurate enough to compete at short range. Wind drift, of course, is half what is is with a PPC, and it's always the mistakes that get you.
G
George Neal
Guest
I bought one of the official scoring thingamajigs from the IBS for score targets a couple of years ago. It has scoring rings for:
.323, .338, .358, .375, and .408 in addition to the smaller calibers.
.323, .338, .358, .375, and .408 in addition to the smaller calibers.
Dick Grosbier
Club Coordinator
Thanks, David.
So, a little more idle curiosity, if someone shows up with a .338 chambering (perfectly legal), how would the (group or score) target be scored?
It would be initially scored with no usage of the the reticule which is the case of 90% + of all record shots. If there were some close shots and a caliber was used that was not scribed on the reticule device the scorer will do the best he can with the tools he has available , his decision can be overridden by the three referees. In the unlikely event an oddball cartridge become a big player in registered shoots I am sure both organizations will get that size added to their official reticule but lets be realistic you cannot fit all sizes on a reticule and the cost of making up a second unit with oddball calibers available is not something most clubs would buy even if offered. If you show up with what is not currently a popular caliber you will be scored to the best of the ability of the scorer and the equipment he has, expecting something else is not likely to get you anywhere . The official scoring device of IBS is the scoring reticule as it currently exists. It is only likely to be changed if a new diameter crops up and is showing up at LOTS of matches , the fact the right circle is not scribed on the scoring device does not mean your target was not properly scored legally it merely means you did not avail yourself of one of the currently popular calibers.
Assuming 1 sighter for the 5 record matches ( electing not to shoot W/U) will net you 30 shots from a 13.5 # VFS gun with an angled butt stock. Shooting a 300 grain bullet for 30 rounds?.........I'd like to meet the MAN who could agg with the top 15 competitors. I'd wager it won't be shot free recoil ( no brakes allowed).....and you won't gain many friends on adjacent benches. I believe there is a reason why the .308 may be the "upper end" used in Pt. Blank Score.
Bear in mind my primary interest is NBRSA unlimited. I currently have an 80-pound 1K HG (no break) that could be made into a rail by substituting Delrin for the triangular-patterned sandbags.
For score, remember there are such things as the .338/6BR, and the .338 Federal, or a wildcat inbetween. Question is whether or not you can stay above 1,500 fps at 200 yards with the .338/6BR. And you do lose some wind-bucking as you slow things down.
No, you don't shot it free recoil. I have long used a variation on a technique reported on by Humble Henry (for .30BR) long ago on 6mmBR.com. You take most of the recoil with the forearm arm & hand. I shoot my 17-poubnd .338/404 that way.
One really big item is cost. Those little pearls cost $0.60 apiece.
As for gaining friends, well... I did shoot my big 1K .30 at a 300 yard NBRSA unlimited match in Charlotte many years ago. Shot next to Wilbur, I believe. Nobody complained bitterly -- in part, because the muzzle is way out there. With the short barrels, on some ranges, a PPC is louder than a 1K rifle burning 50+ grains of powder.
How did the big .30 do? As Dave Tooley said when it was all over "Why did you shoot when you did?" There is probably nothing on Gods Green Earth that will let you plain ignore the wind. Getting away with a small mistake is another matter. Charlotte was usually a tricky range.
For score, remember there are such things as the .338/6BR, and the .338 Federal, or a wildcat inbetween. Question is whether or not you can stay above 1,500 fps at 200 yards with the .338/6BR. And you do lose some wind-bucking as you slow things down.
No, you don't shot it free recoil. I have long used a variation on a technique reported on by Humble Henry (for .30BR) long ago on 6mmBR.com. You take most of the recoil with the forearm arm & hand. I shoot my 17-poubnd .338/404 that way.
One really big item is cost. Those little pearls cost $0.60 apiece.
As for gaining friends, well... I did shoot my big 1K .30 at a 300 yard NBRSA unlimited match in Charlotte many years ago. Shot next to Wilbur, I believe. Nobody complained bitterly -- in part, because the muzzle is way out there. With the short barrels, on some ranges, a PPC is louder than a 1K rifle burning 50+ grains of powder.
How did the big .30 do? As Dave Tooley said when it was all over "Why did you shoot when you did?" There is probably nothing on Gods Green Earth that will let you plain ignore the wind. Getting away with a small mistake is another matter. Charlotte was usually a tricky range.