Mashburn Bee and 1680
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LC Smith
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16.5 grs with 60gr bullets, and 17gr with 40s. Shoots as good as 4198, and no need of a drop tube!
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LC Smith
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Ah, typo. I shot 50s not 60s. 15" twist probably would stabilize 50gr Sierra Semipoints, but 40s and 45s better.
Yep, I knew that that was a typo cause there aint enought case cap to shoot the 60's. The 40's shoot very well and that was the intention when Sam May of Apex rifled the barrel.
The 1680 must be about the same burning rate as IMR 4227 as the 16.5gr load is what I use for the 40gr v Max.
Thanks, Clarence
The 1680 must be about the same burning rate as IMR 4227 as the 16.5gr load is what I use for the 40gr v Max.
Thanks, Clarence
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murphy
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To cudpuy
Am a little curius about your Mashburn Bee as to what sort of action you are using. We used to have quite a few of the here in Australia on Martini Cadet actions and also a few Winchester low walls. Used to use Nobles Hornet powder in mine but they haven't made it for about 30 years.
Am a little curius about your Mashburn Bee as to what sort of action you are using. We used to have quite a few of the here in Australia on Martini Cadet actions and also a few Winchester low walls. Used to use Nobles Hornet powder in mine but they haven't made it for about 30 years.
murphy
You got it it's a Martini Cadet, with a bunch of work done on it, sports a 22" Apex CM barrel with a 1in 15" twist, it is the Mashburn Bee with the straight case and not much neck. I just came back from the range and found it likes the 1680 at 17.5gr and the 40gr VMax bullet, load is good at 5/8" at 100 for ten shots.
If you got any of those Cadets laying arround I'm interested for shure, they are very scarse in Country.
Clarence
You got it it's a Martini Cadet, with a bunch of work done on it, sports a 22" Apex CM barrel with a 1in 15" twist, it is the Mashburn Bee with the straight case and not much neck. I just came back from the range and found it likes the 1680 at 17.5gr and the 40gr VMax bullet, load is good at 5/8" at 100 for ten shots.
If you got any of those Cadets laying arround I'm interested for shure, they are very scarse in Country.
Clarence
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murphy
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To Clarence.
They are certainly common here and I think every gunshop would have a few in stock. I have one in 25/20 with an original 1960 vintage sportco barrel and it can still do better than 1" at 100yds in calm conditions. Recently 222 rimmed cases of Chinese origin have started to show up here so there is certain to be a resurgence of popularity for Martinis.
They are certainly common here and I think every gunshop would have a few in stock. I have one in 25/20 with an original 1960 vintage sportco barrel and it can still do better than 1" at 100yds in calm conditions. Recently 222 rimmed cases of Chinese origin have started to show up here so there is certain to be a resurgence of popularity for Martinis.
murphy
You make me cry about ALL of the Cadet's being available, I think that the 222R would need some revision of the PINS to hold the pressure and I most certainly would not trust those cases, Norma used to make the 222R. Your 25-20 is an excelent round for the Cadet.
Clarence
You make me cry about ALL of the Cadet's being available, I think that the 222R would need some revision of the PINS to hold the pressure and I most certainly would not trust those cases, Norma used to make the 222R. Your 25-20 is an excelent round for the Cadet.
Clarence
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murphy
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To Clarence
Those little Martini actions must be pretty strong because at one time I had one in caliber 25/35 and I used to load it right up with no problems at all. Apart from bushing the firing pin, I don't the gun smith does much to them at all for the 222Rimmed conversion. I know one fellow who has one that accepts regular 222 Rimless, his rifle is somehow fitted with a rimless extractor. What ever you think about Chinese products their cartridge cases are quite good and they make them in a variety of hard to get calibers like 264 Win Mag. I have some in 25/06 and apart from having to deburr the flash holes they are good cases and weight wise are interchangeable with Winchester cases. Have you chronographed your Marhburn Bee loads as I would be interested to hear what speeds you are getting?
Those little Martini actions must be pretty strong because at one time I had one in caliber 25/35 and I used to load it right up with no problems at all. Apart from bushing the firing pin, I don't the gun smith does much to them at all for the 222Rimmed conversion. I know one fellow who has one that accepts regular 222 Rimless, his rifle is somehow fitted with a rimless extractor. What ever you think about Chinese products their cartridge cases are quite good and they make them in a variety of hard to get calibers like 264 Win Mag. I have some in 25/06 and apart from having to deburr the flash holes they are good cases and weight wise are interchangeable with Winchester cases. Have you chronographed your Marhburn Bee loads as I would be interested to hear what speeds you are getting?
murphy
Somone tested the action to 60,000 dont know who. I shoot the Mashburn Bee at 3300 as Chronoed with the 40gr V max. The Smith that built this rifle has two others one in 22PPC and a 222 rimless both with Safetys built into the lower group like the 870 Rem, nice guns!
The trigger is the hardest thing to FIX as one must silver solder a piece of tool steel to get the crisp brake and have it stay there.
Clarence
Somone tested the action to 60,000 dont know who. I shoot the Mashburn Bee at 3300 as Chronoed with the 40gr V max. The Smith that built this rifle has two others one in 22PPC and a 222 rimless both with Safetys built into the lower group like the 870 Rem, nice guns!
The trigger is the hardest thing to FIX as one must silver solder a piece of tool steel to get the crisp brake and have it stay there.
Clarence
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murphy
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To Clarence.
My Martini 25/20 has the little piece of metal silver soldered to the sear and it has a very nice trigger indeed. One mistake that I see on a lot of Martini conversions is that people put on big ugly butt stocks with too much drop at heel. This happens because they get the angle wrong where the stock wood comes out of the metal work. My 25/20 has a nice stock very much like an angle eject Winchester, with a high comb but not much drop at heel. That way there is no need to bend the lever as it is a straight grip stock. On the subject of levers, never try to shape one without heat as they are very brittle as I know from bitter experience. Have you tried Winchester 296 in your Bee, I use it in the 25/20, for reduced loads in a 223, and in my 44/40 and find it a usefull and versatile powder.
My Martini 25/20 has the little piece of metal silver soldered to the sear and it has a very nice trigger indeed. One mistake that I see on a lot of Martini conversions is that people put on big ugly butt stocks with too much drop at heel. This happens because they get the angle wrong where the stock wood comes out of the metal work. My 25/20 has a nice stock very much like an angle eject Winchester, with a high comb but not much drop at heel. That way there is no need to bend the lever as it is a straight grip stock. On the subject of levers, never try to shape one without heat as they are very brittle as I know from bitter experience. Have you tried Winchester 296 in your Bee, I use it in the 25/20, for reduced loads in a 223, and in my 44/40 and find it a usefull and versatile powder.
merphy
I used a model 870 shotgun but stock, I had to bend the lever to fit into the pistol grop with a knob (3/8"brass) welded on to the bottom. You are correct that if you do not heat the lever you WILL break it, besides one will go to HELL for bending cold metal.
I have not used 296 but I use 2400 for fire forming to Mashburn and must use Imperial wax on the front of the case so as not to split the shoulder.
Im on the Reservation and hunt Coyotes for the Sheep farmers and shoot the magnum Bee at 3300fps with the 40gr VMax, it is brutal.
Clarence
I used a model 870 shotgun but stock, I had to bend the lever to fit into the pistol grop with a knob (3/8"brass) welded on to the bottom. You are correct that if you do not heat the lever you WILL break it, besides one will go to HELL for bending cold metal.
I have not used 296 but I use 2400 for fire forming to Mashburn and must use Imperial wax on the front of the case so as not to split the shoulder.
Im on the Reservation and hunt Coyotes for the Sheep farmers and shoot the magnum Bee at 3300fps with the 40gr VMax, it is brutal.
Clarence
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murphy
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To cdupuy
Clarence, Here is just a bit of information on W296. It is a bit slower burning than 2400 but faster than H4227. In my 223 I use 15g with a 1/2g dacron wad, 55g Sierra game King hollow point and CCI400 primer for 2,760fps. Accuracy is .7" and point of impact is identical to my full power load. I use it because it is a quiet load for hunting hares at night and the hares are killed stone dead but not mangled. On the subject of bending cold metal, I can feel the creatures in the black cloaks tugging at my ankles already. Does your shire pay a a bounty on coyotes? Where I live we have dingoes wich are very similar critters and the local council pays a bounty of $25 a scalp, just across the border in Crows Nest shire the bounty is $300 a scalp. I have a friend who shoots on a property at Crows Nest where they have shot 9 in about 3months.
Clarence, Here is just a bit of information on W296. It is a bit slower burning than 2400 but faster than H4227. In my 223 I use 15g with a 1/2g dacron wad, 55g Sierra game King hollow point and CCI400 primer for 2,760fps. Accuracy is .7" and point of impact is identical to my full power load. I use it because it is a quiet load for hunting hares at night and the hares are killed stone dead but not mangled. On the subject of bending cold metal, I can feel the creatures in the black cloaks tugging at my ankles already. Does your shire pay a a bounty on coyotes? Where I live we have dingoes wich are very similar critters and the local council pays a bounty of $25 a scalp, just across the border in Crows Nest shire the bounty is $300 a scalp. I have a friend who shoots on a property at Crows Nest where they have shot 9 in about 3months.
merphy
The hide is worth (good pale) about 20 us but I hunt for justice (pay back)for the Sheep farmers now, I used to hunt for fur back 20 years ago when they were worth approx 35 us for a skinned hide. Dingoes? can they be called by electronic Johnny Stewart calls IF so then one could make big money at 300 per unit, maybe I could go with ya and shoot some. Have a good one Murph
Clarence
The hide is worth (good pale) about 20 us but I hunt for justice (pay back)for the Sheep farmers now, I used to hunt for fur back 20 years ago when they were worth approx 35 us for a skinned hide. Dingoes? can they be called by electronic Johnny Stewart calls IF so then one could make big money at 300 per unit, maybe I could go with ya and shoot some. Have a good one Murph
Clarence
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murphy
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To Clarence.
Don't know what a Johny Stewart caller is but yes they can certainly be called. My friend Darril is very good at it and just makes the noise with his mouth, but it works best in the winter time which is their mating season, it's summer time here at present. Now that you have got me thinking I remember one that I shot with my Improved Bee years ago. Hit it high in the chest with a 46g Winchester projectile and it ran off but dropped after about 50 yards. It was a big tough animal of about 60 lbs and I was not entirely sure that it was dead so I poked it with my rifle barrel. It latched on to the barrel and bit till it's teeth started to break leaving big tooth marks in the steel, so be careful. Dingos have a bad remutation around here, as they x breed with domestic dogs and grow much larger than the wild species. In a pack they are quite capable of maiming or killing full size cattle. A 9 year old boy was stalked and killed here in South East Queensland a few years back.
Don't know what a Johny Stewart caller is but yes they can certainly be called. My friend Darril is very good at it and just makes the noise with his mouth, but it works best in the winter time which is their mating season, it's summer time here at present. Now that you have got me thinking I remember one that I shot with my Improved Bee years ago. Hit it high in the chest with a 46g Winchester projectile and it ran off but dropped after about 50 yards. It was a big tough animal of about 60 lbs and I was not entirely sure that it was dead so I poked it with my rifle barrel. It latched on to the barrel and bit till it's teeth started to break leaving big tooth marks in the steel, so be careful. Dingos have a bad remutation around here, as they x breed with domestic dogs and grow much larger than the wild species. In a pack they are quite capable of maiming or killing full size cattle. A 9 year old boy was stalked and killed here in South East Queensland a few years back.