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frost87

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I was thinking of building a LV 30br and was wondering what kinda stock would be a good choice. I was also thinking a rubber butt plate would be a good idea. And also what kinda action weight do you need to make 10.5LB with a leupold compition and LV barrel 20-23 in long
 
I really like the robertson speedy type stocks, but good luck getting ahold of one. Stiller is exspecting a few before long and jim borden is out of them as well. I truely feel like there is less felt recoil with this type of stock than any other stock i have tried. My best shooting buddy feels the same way. I also like the TMBR stock, that would be a good choice as well. As far as actions go, i would probably go with a BAT SV or whatever other action you can find that weighs the least. I say this because you mentioned a rubber recoil pad. A pad that is made properly and one that will be effective will has some real weight. Really you just need to do the math on all this. I like for my weight to be in the middle of the gun and towards the back. i dont like a rifle with a heavy muzzle. I would also go with a 5lb barrel weight. that way you can add a little weight towards the back if needed. Of course there are several others around here that are more qualified to give you information for a rifle like this. This is only my way of thinking and or my opinion. One more thing. As far as scopes go. I really really like the Sightron Big sky 36X for my 30BR rifle. This scope has great glass and it only weighs 17oz. The field of view on this 36power scope allows me to put three wind flags in my view while shooting 200 yards. heck i could probably get more than that in my view? This scope also has a nice small dot witch i really like. Good luck!! Lee
 
The BAT SV and the Stiller Cobra both weigh 28 ounces. The Cobra is a short Viper -- and the Viper is only 30 ounces, as is Stiller's round-bottom D'Back. Jackie Schmidt checked several D'Backs and found them one of the best machined (for trueness) actions out there. The longer BATs are significantly heavier.

With the Cobra or Viper, you can get one of Gene Beggs skeleton stocks, which is very light, and would allow easy mounting of a (removable) recoil pad. For those, I like Sorbathane. The Kick-Eez junior, available from Brownells, is about right.

Alternatively, you need a stock in the lighter region with the weight of that Leupold Competition scope. And for recoil, as others have mentioned, you can use one of the strap-on recoil vests, which means its weight isn't a part of the rifle.

Good luck
 
Skeetlee how does the tmbr do under recoil compared to the brx does it twist more being taller in the butt stock
 
I would second Skeetlee's recommendation of a Robertson-Borden style stock if you can get one. Light and very ergonomic for me. I would not use a recoil pad on my benchrest stock for the simple reason that they behave "eraser like" in that they can catch clothing(if you are inclined to wear clothing when you shoot) and have an effect on shot to shot consistency.

Mike
 
Don't think you can go wrong with the BAT SV but I do like wood stocks and made one out of western ceder with carbon fiber mats.
 
Stocks might be overrated in most 30BR applications, mainly due to the slow barrel twist used. There is very little rifle torque when using a 1-18 twist barrel and 112 to 118 grn bullets.

I took my LV 30 apart, and converted it to a 6PPC, a drop port Diamondback. Shoots great. I simply saw no reason to shoot a 10.5 pound 30BR.

That being said, the Robertson is about as good as it gets........jackie
 
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mkihne said:
I would not use a recoil pad on my benchrest stock for the simple reason that they behave "eraser like" in that they can catch clothing(if you are inclined to wear clothing when you shoot) and have an effect on shot to shot consistency.

Mike
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Not sure I want to go to THAT competition if clothes are optional. :)
 
As far as the TMBR VS the robertson in felt recoil, there is a difference for sure. The robertson wins hands down. I like the feel of the TMBR as i can really get ahold of this stock design. Thats why i recommend them. Robertson is my first choice though!! Lee
 
frost87 said:
I was thinking of building a LV 30br and was wondering what kinda stock would be a good choice. I was also thinking a rubber butt plate would be a good idea. And also what kinda action weight do you need to make 10.5LB with a leupold compition and LV barrel 20-23 in long
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If you'd like to do a pillar bedded action rather than a glue-in (I prefer pillar bedding), the Kelbly Kodiak is an excellent action to build a 10.5 gun on. They go 28 oz. and have the same tenon dimension as the Panda's and have a recoil lug built in. Most Kodiaks have the mag cutout for use on the HBR guns, but Kelbly's also supplies them with a solid bottom.

Lots of stocks out there that work fine. These 10.5 30BR's do move a bit despite what stock they have on 'em. I'd look at something like the Bruno, the TMBR or the unobtainium Robertson's.

Balance is critical on these 10.5 30BR's, so you may want to consider using a HBR barrel taper around 20.5-21.75 long. This will keep more of the weight toward the center and keep the gun less nose heavy. A nose heavy, 10.5 lb. 30BR is an evil thing. :eek:

I hate recoil pads with a passion on a BR gun. If you absolutely need to use one, a lightweight pad can be made from flip flop sandals. Make darn sure the butt is the proper length so you can get behind the gun.

Drive an aluminum butt plate and rule the World......;) :D

Good shootin'. -Al
 
Thank you guys for the information I was wondering has any body had good luck with a LV 30br or is it just to much to handle with the recoil
 
frost87 said:
I was wondering has any body had good luck with a LV 30br
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My friend Herb Llewellyn set a couple of records with a light varmint 30BR a couple years back. And Lee and Allie Euber buth shoot mostly Light Varmints even in HV class.But as a practical matter in a class (VFS) where one X can frequently drop you from winning to 4th or 5th and you are shooting against mostly HV rifles I think you put yourself at too much of a disadvantage.

Dick
 
I will build on a action that will pull both ppc and br. If I use a LV stock will I be able to weight it enough for hv class. And just wondering what does a leonard go for?
 
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About 1200 bucks. I would not suggest a Leonard stock for a 30BR and here is why. In my Opinion a 30BR is better driven while holding onto it or pinning it against the front stop of the front rest. The Leonard stock is very very nice and i love mine dearly but it is a free recoil design. There isnt any pistol grip area to speak of to hold onto. I tried for a hole year to shoot a 30Br free recoil and it just didnt work for me. " Keep in mind you may be different!! I am also sure there are a few who do shoot 30Br's free recoil" When i started to hold the gun or pin the rifle things started to happen for me. I have only shot two registered 30BR bench rest matches so i am no expert but i did finish 3rd in one shoot and fourth in the other against a very tough crowd of shooters, so holding the 30BR is clearly working for me. I would also have to think that most 30Br shooters will hold the rifle in one way or another rather than letting it free recoil, so i don't think i am alone in this assumption?? The 30BR does have a little punch so no i wouldn't ever want a 10.5 pound 30Br myself but that's a decision you will have to make. I also think it is a bad idea to build a HV rifle on a LV stock. Just doesn't make since to me anyway. You don't build a dump truck on a Volkswagen frame, so why would you build a HV rifle on a LV stock. I tried this once and it just wasn't the proper way to do it. Will it work? Ya it will probably be ok, but if i am going to build a rifle and spend hard earned money i am going to build it properly. Like i said, i went through all this my first year of shooting, only to turn around and sell every rifle i had at the end of the year because i was to impatient to do it properly from the get go. Do it right even if it takes more time. the end result will be worth the extra effort every time!!!! I have been told that i shouldn't give any information here on this site as i have only been at this for 3 years, but i have been shooting and competing my hole life so i do know a thing or two, but do your own home work, and ask lots of questions and even go try out some other folks rifles at a local shoot. Do whatever it takes to do it right the first time out, and save yourself a lot of time. Some one mentioned buying a used rifle. that's not a bad idea, just make sure your not buying someone else mistakes!! Good luck!! Lee
 
Skeetlee I understand where your coming from I just don't know if I want to build a LV 30br that if I don't like it I can put a ppc barrel on or to build another hv 30br cause I like score more than group so basically I'm just thinking out load

Thank you guys for the help
 
frost87 said:
Skeetlee I understand where your coming from I just don't know if I want to build a LV 30br that if I don't like it I can put a ppc barrel on or to build another hv 30br cause I like score more than group so basically I'm just thinking out load

Thank you guys for the help
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If this is your thinking then build a rifle that you can ad weight to the butt and a heavy varmint contour barrel then go shoot some Varmint for score...if you don't like the 30BR then pull off the HV 30BR barrel and butt weight...and screw on the 6ppc then go shoot some groups...
Jim Borden can make exactly what you need and it will be your best investment in your shooting career...
 
Yeah that was what I'm kinda thinking with the LV 30br. If I don't like the 30 I can just put a ppc barrel on and I'm only out a barrel
 
frost87: Don't be concerned about a 10.5lb. 30BR. In this part of the country, they're common and win just as much as the 13.5lb.'ers. -Al
 
Al Nyhus said:
frost87: Don't be concerned about a 10.5lb. 30BR. In this part of the country, they're common and win just as much as the 13.5lb.'ers. -Al
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But Al. you guys are used to shooting those big case 10 pound hunter guns, when you change to a 30BR it is like taking a break.
 
Well i decided I need to build

A 30 BR to compete against my buddies. Not fun shooting against them with a 6.

I am converting my Bat SB from 6PPC to 30BR.

To bring some weight up, I will leave the Bukys mount on the rifle and remove the locked scope which has a loose front lens and replace it with my spare Leupold 45 with turrets. In the PPC configuration I had a 5oz brass weight on the butt pad. I will change the butt pad to a 3/8 brass pad, and bring up the 5oz weight to about 8 oz. That will almost add 1 lb to my 10.5 lb rifle. Barrel contour, i will likely go with a HV taper with shank cut off.

According to my buddies calculations, that should still keep the majority off the weight reward, and i get it up over 11.5 without any butchering of my Speedy BRX stock.
 
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